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Old 04/19/10, 10:59 PM   #1426
moowalk
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Troll Priest
 
Khaz'goroth
Originally Posted by Vice View Post
The portals work as if you are on a flying mount or swimming.
That's not exactly true, since you can't use aquatic form inside the portals.

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Old 04/20/10, 1:52 PM   #1427
Jarin
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Draenei Shaman
 
Runetotem
Originally Posted by KraxisSingular View Post
I believe Jarin's point was close to that, given the glyph comes from the position of "meter padding", and so might have a bit of an unjust bad rep. If based on the usual comments on the HST glyph a non-active reader could potentially conclude it is never good, and if it never gets looked at in raids, who will know?
This place is all about exploring the little advantages that combined become the great advantage.
Yes, this is it exactly.

When the automatic response to HST is "it's meter padding" and Glyph of HST is in so few shaman_hep reports that Stassart doesn't even list it in his glyph table, my assumption is that a great many folks aren't exploring this area of "advantage" fully and that new players looking for play advice here will likely avoid it.

To restate the summary of my first message: I'd recommend that you give glyph of HST a try especially if the raid can afford to have you be in the tank group. Then send your shaman_hep reports to Stassart so that he can update his table

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Old 04/21/10, 2:57 AM   #1428
Greyhawk
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Draenor (EU)
Switched from Rogue to Resto shaman a short while ago and loving it!. But, as im browsing through WMO parses to figure out what other shamans do compared to me i see that mostly its CH spam for about 50+%.

Now, when damage is pouring in im usually going into a static spam mode throwing RT, Hasted CH (2t10), 2 hasted HW or LHW after which RT is or is just about to off cooldown and i start over, and so im seldom throwing anything that is not hasted.

Since everyone else seems to go CH spamming, im guessing im in the wrong here, so i started looking at one of the spreadsheets here, but cant find that specific rotation. How can i make that calculation?

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Old 04/21/10, 6:18 AM   #1429
Engyu
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Cho'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Jarin View Post
Yes, this is it exactly.

When the automatic response to HST is "it's meter padding" and Glyph of HST is in so few shaman_hep reports that Stassart doesn't even list it in his glyph table, my assumption is that a great many folks aren't exploring this area of "advantage" fully and that new players looking for play advice here will likely avoid it.

To restate the summary of my first message: I'd recommend that you give glyph of HST a try especially if the raid can afford to have you be in the tank group. Then send your shaman_hep reports to Stassart so that he can update his table
I used HST Glyph a while ago in ICC-10. I'll dig up the report to check what they are saying.

The main reason I switched to another glyph is that I was the only cham, and some group member could use the extra regen of the MST.

Also, I would add that Glyphed MST is situational. Where in fight with little AoE damage, the main outcome will be overheal. On other hand, it can be awesome for example on Dreamwalker when you are the portal jokey... the glyphed HST can provide tremendous heal to the raid!

PS: It's my feeling, from mostly a 10-man raid point of view.

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Old 04/21/10, 5:06 PM   #1430
Rapparee
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Bloodhoof
For the last couple guys, Greyhawk and Jodadda:

It all depends on the other members of your raid. My opinion is that shaman have the least flexible talents, but a very flexible healing style. So if two pallies and two disc priests showed up tonight... you're CH button is going to get smashed a lot. If 2 druids and 2 holy priests showed up.. your CH button will get quite dusty tonight.


Our normal raid makeup is 2holy paladin, 1 shaman, 1 druid, 2 priests (they change specs quite often per boss).
The following are my normal duties in ICC 25, if that helps:

Marrowgar - CH spam on the soakers with the tank... lately i have some free time to LHW a bone spiked person who is low.
LDW - RT+LHW and remove curse on the fanatic kiter. Randomly CH or LHW on other raid members depending on whether they are stacked or split up.
DBsaurfang - CH on whichever tank is currently holding the threat. We tend to have the first couple marks go to the melee spot.. so my CH splashes marked targets and the 2nd tank. I switch to LHW or a hasted HW when saurfang has really high blood power. About midway through the debuff wearing off on the 2nd tank, I'll RT that tank so when it's his turn to actually tank my first CH will be boosted.

Rotgut - cast whatever i can get away with... CH at melee, LHW at ranged people, nature totem is the real bonus i bring.
Fester - CH spam on whoever is currently tanking...unless we have 2 pallies and a disc priest. Then I'm pretty much CH melee, CH ranged when they are collapsed for spores, LH+RT ranged when not collapsed for spores. Again, the nature resist totem is probably the most important totem I can supply.
Putricide - CH mainly all over the raid. I'm also the healer of the red-gas target, that person gets RT+LHW.

Princes - lots of LHW+RT
BQL - CH ... and healing stream. I CH the tank's soaker, then CH someone else in raid. This is a 25man and we make sure to stand close to each other for AOE healing. In a 10man environment, I could see how you can't just CH ranged people.

Valritha - HW+RT, sometimes I CH the raid. I normally do not take portals... I'm the guy who stays outside and heals the dragon.
Sindragosa - all healing spells get used or I'm unchained and no healing spells get used. I'm considering glyphing healing stream for this fight... it'd be very nice for my group to get some healing during those blistering colds in phase3.

LichKing - I have yet to defeat the heroic. So my situation here is still in flux. Normally I'm healing tanks during phase1 and making sure to cast a chain heal such that it lands just after infest finishes casting. I usually do two CHs at that time. Rest of the time is LHW+RT on the tanks. During relentless winter, of course it's CH spam on the raid.

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Old 04/22/10, 7:17 AM   #1431
Kryt
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Orc Shaman
 
Uldaman
Originally Posted by Rapparee View Post
For the last couple guys, Greyhawk and Jodadda:

It all depends on the other members of your raid. My opinion is that shaman have the least flexible talents, but a very flexible healing style. So if two pallies and two disc priests showed up tonight... you're CH button is going to get smashed a lot. If 2 druids and 2 holy priests showed up.. your CH button will get quite dusty tonight.


Our normal raid makeup is 2holy paladin, 1 shaman, 1 druid, 2 priests (they change specs quite often per boss).
The following are my normal duties in ICC 25, if that helps:

Marrowgar - CH spam on the soakers with the tank... lately i have some free time to LHW a bone spiked person who is low.
LDW - RT+LHW and remove curse on the fanatic kiter. Randomly CH or LHW on other raid members depending on whether they are stacked or split up.
DBsaurfang - CH on whichever tank is currently holding the threat. We tend to have the first couple marks go to the melee spot.. so my CH splashes marked targets and the 2nd tank. I switch to LHW or a hasted HW when saurfang has really high blood power. About midway through the debuff wearing off on the 2nd tank, I'll RT that tank so when it's his turn to actually tank my first CH will be boosted.

Rotgut - cast whatever i can get away with... CH at melee, LHW at ranged people, nature totem is the real bonus i bring.
Fester - CH spam on whoever is currently tanking...unless we have 2 pallies and a disc priest. Then I'm pretty much CH melee, CH ranged when they are collapsed for spores, LH+RT ranged when not collapsed for spores. Again, the nature resist totem is probably the most important totem I can supply.
Putricide - CH mainly all over the raid. I'm also the healer of the red-gas target, that person gets RT+LHW.

Princes - lots of LHW+RT
BQL - CH ... and healing stream. I CH the tank's soaker, then CH someone else in raid. This is a 25man and we make sure to stand close to each other for AOE healing. In a 10man environment, I could see how you can't just CH ranged people.

Valritha - HW+RT, sometimes I CH the raid. I normally do not take portals... I'm the guy who stays outside and heals the dragon.
Sindragosa - all healing spells get used or I'm unchained and no healing spells get used. I'm considering glyphing healing stream for this fight... it'd be very nice for my group to get some healing during those blistering colds in phase3.

LichKing - I have yet to defeat the heroic. So my situation here is still in flux. Normally I'm healing tanks during phase1 and making sure to cast a chain heal such that it lands just after infest finishes casting. I usually do two CHs at that time. Rest of the time is LHW+RT on the tanks. During relentless winter, of course it's CH spam on the raid.

This may not pertain to this thread, may be a simple question, but its here and I can't bear to pass up this opportunity.

You say that you drop Nature Resis Totem for Fester/Rotface. I've been asking my guild If I should be dropping that for those fights as well, however they say that "It wont make a difference due to fight mechanics". I guess I can see what they are talking about *slightly* on rotface, what with the whole situation-If someone doesnt get the spores buff they wont survive- But this still doesnt make sense to me.
What can I tell them to convince them that the Nature Resis Totem WILL help mitigate damage done to the raid??

-Sorry, I'm new to this level of playing this game, but I want to learn.
Thanks!

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Old 04/22/10, 8:36 AM   #1432
Mumra
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Troll Shaman
 
Arathor (EU)
Rapparee - I see you're running an unusual resto spec. I assume this is LK HC orientated? Earthbind radius for the Valkyr's and Stoneskin for the tanks?

I think it's worth looking at this a little more. I'm sure there's quite a lot of people out there who currently blast through 11/12 heroics then hit a lich king shaped wall.

We're still in the early stages of learning the fight (wiping when the first valkyrs come) but given that all other bosses are generally a one-shot (or should be), it seems sensible to have one spec entirely focussed for LK. Earthbind I think I can live without but I'd like to accommodate the Imp Stoneskin into my spec somehow. Is the loss of healing focus proving to be any loss at all? What does and doesn't cause spell pushback? Infest ticks and pain and suffering are the only things I can think of that might. I'd guess infest doesn't and pain and suffering does but confirmation of this would be great. The first transition phase isn't especially strenuous for healing so I think I could live with this. Infest ticks would be a big problem though as it's generally our job to cover what the shields don't.

For general resto play on this fight, I'm doing pretty much the same as described. Time your CHs for infests, ES and LHWs on tanks, keep AF up on both. Glyph choices of ES, CH and LHW should be pretty standard I would think. For the same reason, anything past the haste soft cap seems wasteful. Tank healing with HW would obliterate my mana but my mp5 is low (festergut and saurfang don't like me).

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Old 04/22/10, 10:33 AM   #1433
Migosha
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Draenei Shaman
 
Kael'thas (EU)
For having removed Healing Focus for some time now I can tell you that you won't miss it for the first 11 bosses. No avoidable damage does cause pushback (I even saw latelly that Lana'Thel's aura doesn't trigger mana orbs anymore).
The only noticeable pushback is on the Lich King, both Infest and Pain and Suffering does trigger pushback. But honestly it isn"t a real problem. For Infest if you do time properly your CH you won't have any trouble with it and for Pain and Suffering just spam CH anyway. The only problem I have with not having Healing Focus is in P2 if I have to remove the Pest and Arthas is casting Pain and Suffering on me endlessly, then I may have to stop a heal to dispell the disease in time, but honestly nothing that troublesome.

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Old 04/22/10, 11:18 AM   #1434
Mumra
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Arathor (EU)
Well if the infests are causing pushback then it may be necessary to throw the first CH through yourself. I was talking about the heroic mode where Infest is actually pretty damaging. In normal, it does disappear instantly yeah.

We may well be doing this tonight and I'm thinking of a 1/3 Healing Focus, 2/2 Guardian Totems build. If pushback is a problem then it may be Healing Way that's on the way out. Obviously you're then limited to LHW and your NS macro is hurt. Damaging your ability to heal the tank in favour of 200 or so armour may be counterproductive. Was hoping for 2 free points really!

Choices, choices.

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Old 04/22/10, 11:25 AM   #1435
MatsT
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Any 25-man raid should have a Shaman with imp Stoneskin Totem. Nothing LK specific about that one except it might be the current progress boss for most people. I see a lot of people not specced into Improved Reincarnation which I believe is a big mistake. Having it (almost) always available is huge, and the extra hp/mana you get from it when ankhing is very important. In fights where I don't die and ankh there is usually no mana issues anyway, and the hp prevents you from instadying again from aoe damage.

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Old 04/22/10, 4:34 PM   #1436
Spenda
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Draenei Shaman
 
Arygos
Originally Posted by MatsT View Post
Any 25-man raid should have a Shaman with imp Stoneskin Totem.
Why is this?

Doesn't 2/2 Improved Stoneskin Totem provide 1380 armor which is significantly less than the 1807 armor provided by 3/3 Improved Devotion Aura? I may be missing something, which is why I ask.

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Old 04/22/10, 5:37 PM   #1437
Sixthy
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Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Spenda View Post
Why is this?

Doesn't 2/2 Improved Stoneskin Totem provide 1380 armor which is significantly less than the 1807 armor provided by 3/3 Improved Devotion Aura? I may be missing something, which is why I ask.
They stack.

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Old 04/22/10, 5:37 PM   #1438
Moshne
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Pandaren Shaman
 
Whisperwind
They stack, something easy to prove in any raid environment. Perhaps they aren't supposed to, but they certainly do.

Whether the additional armor from the talents is worth it is another story entirely, but you should have the totem down regardless.

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Old 04/22/10, 5:50 PM   #1439
Mumra
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Troll Shaman
 
Arathor (EU)
Didn't get a chance to respec before the raid but just thinking about it there's a totally free point in cleanse spirit. I'd be tempted to drop tidal force too and then, tada, you've got your 2/2 guardian totems and slightly happier tanks.

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Old 04/23/10, 1:08 AM   #1440
Rapparee
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Bloodhoof
yes, my spec is more screwy than I like.

Earthbind radius for vile spirits (on valks the stuns are much more important than my EB).
Earthbind was originally to slow the bloodbeasts on saurfang, but being in melee range ended up being too much healing aggro for us.

Like others have said, stoneskin stacks with improved devotion. At least it stacks on the character pane window.

The cold flame on marrowgar has caused me some pushback. Almost always getting out of coldflame is more important than finishing a heal (unless it's a heal on a spiked guy who is in cold flame... even then move to NS+heal as you run out).
Infest on heroic lich king does cause pushback and it's at a time, when I can't really afford pushback. So I'm thinking of dropping earthbind to grab a few points in HealingFocus. Until we get to vile spirits, it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to worry about earthbind. Relentless winter doesn't seem to cause pushback on me, I could be wrong.

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