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05/14/09, 5:41 AM
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#426
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mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
Draenei Shaman
Khaz'goroth
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Yes please. I'd particularly like to see the log go for the full duration of the dot.
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05/14/09, 5:59 AM
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#427
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Glass Joe
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This log is done with ToW, WoA, FT buffs. All are just constant LB spam until OOM.
Log: Wow Web Stats
What I can tell right off the start is that Electrified damage is being spread out into 2 equal ticks. The first tick happening at 2s and then the other at 4s(You can tell this right away on the first cast).
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Also in the case of back to back crits it's adding the damage properly and still ticking twice, ie:
CRIT 1(5366) 8% = 429
CRIT 2(6631) 8% = 530
Total should be 960.
Electrified then ticks once for 480 at 2s then 480 at 4s.
Last edited by Dememor : 05/14/09 at 6:25 AM.
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05/14/09, 6:30 AM
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#428
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mumbo-jumbo-theorycrafter
Draenei Shaman
Khaz'goroth
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Can you attach the log file so I can do some editing/filtering of my own?
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05/14/09, 6:45 AM
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#429
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Binkenstein
Can you attach the log file so I can do some editing/filtering of my own?
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I'm kinda new to the whole recording logs thing, so here's the original log file.
Yes
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05/14/09, 8:22 PM
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#430
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Shaman
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Irrelevant post. deleted.
Last edited by broods : 05/14/09 at 8:41 PM.
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05/15/09, 8:09 AM
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#431
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Von Kaiser
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I was wondering if elemental oath was working correctly. When I am in a raid my elemental oath is constantly being overwritten by other classes with same type of buff. The tool tip says "In addition, while clearcasting from Elemental Focus is active, you deal 10% more spell damage. Lasts 15 sec."
If elemental oath is dropped off because of being over written, are we getting our 10% more spell damage when casting with clearcasting up?
Last edited by Nakawe : 05/15/09 at 8:17 AM.
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05/15/09, 8:27 AM
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#432
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Shaman
Thunderhorn
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Originally Posted by Nakawe
I was wondering if elemental oath was working correctly. When I am in a raid my elemental oath is constantly being overwritten by other classes with same type of buff. The tool tip says "In addition, while clearcasting from Elemental Focus is active, you deal 10% more spell damage. Lasts 15 sec."
If elemental oath is dropped off because of being over written, are we getting our 10% more spell damage when casting with clearcasting up?
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Yes because the 10% damage increase is based on clearcasting, not having the elemental oath buff on at the time.
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05/15/09, 10:18 AM
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#433
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by madrix
Yes because the 10% damage increase is based on clearcasting, not having the elemental oath buff on at the time.
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You sure? It clearly says when the buff is active. If the buff isn't active when you have a clear cast then you wouldn't get 10% damage bonus. The question is does a boomkin buff satisfy this requirement. It is clearly obvious that their buff over writes ours.
Are you saying its passive to the talent? If so, the wording is horrible and how would I double check that?
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05/15/09, 10:24 AM
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#434
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Nakawe
You sure? It clearly says when the buff is active. If the buff isn't active when you have a clear cast then you wouldn't get 10% damage bonus. The question is does a boomkin buff satisfy this requirement. It is clearly obvious that their buff over writes ours.
Are you saying its passive to the talent? If so, the wording is horrible and how would I double check that?
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The wording isn't terrible.
"Elemental Oath: Your spell critical strikes grant your party and raid members within 100 yards Elemental Oath, increasing spell critical strike chance by 3/5%. In addition, while Clearcasting from Elemental Focus is active, you deal 10% more spell damage. Lasts 15 seconds."
Clearcasting from Elemental Focus, not from Elemental Oath.
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05/15/09, 10:27 AM
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#435
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Glass Joe
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Bah, Sonatafade beat me to the post. 
Last edited by Fokui : 05/15/09 at 10:30 AM.
Reason: I type slow!
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05/16/09, 9:24 AM
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#436
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The things I have seen with your eyes
Mork
Orc Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Dememor
LB CRIT 1 = 100dot
LB CRIT 2 = 200dot
LB CRIT 3 = 300dot
etc etc.
Meaning that the dot dmg from the first crit will be added to the dot dmg of the 2nd crit.
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I'll try to get some recorded evidence of this in my 10-man tonight as well. This is basically anecdotal I know, but the first night I raided with the 4-piece bonus I saw some strange yellow numbers now and then which were progressively higher than they should have been considering it wasn't Vezax or Hodir. Examples: 1222 max on Freya (+2), 1611 max on trash mobs including Mimiron.
If anyone with 4-piece T8 is feeling adventurous enough to go back to Naxx, Loatheb would be quite interesting to see in a parse if this truly is a beneficial bug. 
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05/16/09, 11:38 AM
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#437
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Skullcrusher
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Did anyone notice if 4pc T8 is supposed to proc from Lightning Overload's lightning bolts? Tried on a dummy (Darnassus one, since it actually had HPs to see Electrified DoT, lol) and sub 8k LB crit (From Overload) were not refreshing the DoT.
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05/16/09, 2:54 PM
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#438
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Glass Joe
Tauren Shaman
Kazzak (EU)
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Originally Posted by missiletoad
I'll try to get some recorded evidence of this in my 10-man tonight as well. This is basically anecdotal I know, but the first night I raided with the 4-piece bonus I saw some strange yellow numbers now and then which were progressively higher than they should have been considering it wasn't Vezax or Hodir. Examples: 1222 max on Freya (+2), 1611 max on trash mobs including Mimiron.
If anyone with 4-piece T8 is feeling adventurous enough to go back to Naxx, Loatheb would be quite interesting to see in a parse if this truly is a beneficial bug. 
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It was a pug so i had problems keeping the spore buff otherwise the crit string would have been longer, however i kept it refreshing for just over 1min and had it ticking for 19k at its best point
Wow Web Stats
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05/16/09, 6:41 PM
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#439
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Piston Honda
Tauren Shaman
Khadgar (EU)
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I think the important thing to remember here is that this is neither a bug nor is it beneficial. The 38k from those 2 ticks was only the damage you would have done if the ticks had been allowed to run without accumulating. The down side of course being if the boss had died while you had that 38k accumulated, you would have lost the damage entirely. As it was you only lost about 3.3k damage from lost DoTs.
Last edited by Agash : 05/16/09 at 9:53 PM.
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05/18/09, 1:34 AM
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#440
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Don Flamenco
Nathaira
Draenei Shaman
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by missiletoad
If anyone with 4-piece T8 is feeling adventurous enough to go back to Naxx, Loatheb would be quite interesting to see in a parse if this truly is a beneficial bug. 
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It's not a bug, it's the wierd ignite-type stacking that's going on. Essentially, whenever you crit with LB, the dot timer is refreshed and whatever damage you would still have to get is added to your new dot. This could lead to some pretty silly numbers, but think of it as all the damage that you should have done much earlier popping up later all at once.
SVakten (post #437: No, LO doesn't proc Electrified.
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Creativity requires the courage to let go of certainties.
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05/19/09, 9:13 AM
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#441
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Glass Joe
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But if you're lucky enough to get the LB crit just after the first tick went off you'll get a slight boost to your damage.
It's just almost impossible to get a streak of those lucky shots but, it can happen =P
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05/19/09, 9:53 AM
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#442
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Glass Joe
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WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay in Engrish
I purchased my T8 token with badges immediately to make my 4pc bonus when I learned we were doing Naxx to releive Monday boredom and to gear a returning tank some so that a parse would be available for TC purposes on here. Loatheb with 4pc T8 is in this parse. If you need the raw log, I already requested it from our hunter who usually takes care of posting parses and I'll get it up here as available. I did a pure LB spam after I got the spore buff so I got my electrified stack up as much as I could. My gear is exactly as if you armory me now. Yes, I know that Mp5 ring isn't the best DPS option, but I was working my tail off to try to get my hit down before raid time with gaining 60 from the chest. I just swapped from resto to ele a few weeks ago, so that ring was readily available, and I didn't want to burn 7800g on the Kirin Tor ring just to have Ignis' ring fall into my lap the next week or something.
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Download WoWCombatLog rar for free at Uploading.com
Saw came through with a link to the raw log for anyone that wants to run it through their own filters since I see Binkenstein asking for that with some people's LvB testing data.
Last edited by Kemeran : 05/19/09 at 2:29 PM.
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05/20/09, 7:12 AM
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#443
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Dragonblight (EU)
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3.1.2 dps increase
Just completed VoA10 and VoA25 after Patch 3.1.2 went live and have noticed definite increase in damage/dps.
I have had a good look at the combat logs from both fights and LvB seems to be in the same range as before (9k avg/13k max) but lightning bolts seem to be criting at 55% with damage increased as well (8k avg/12k max). Overall I have seen a 200-300dps increase since last VoA i ran, which was after the LO buff dropped.
Has anyone else noticed a change since the server reboots or has the RNG just been very flattering today?
Welcome any comments.
Thanks
Krell
edit: kept referring to patch as 3.2.1
Last edited by brynvp : 05/20/09 at 7:38 AM.
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05/20/09, 7:35 AM
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#444
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Piston Honda
Tauren Shaman
Quel'Thalas (EU)
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I find it rather unlikely that any functional changes were made to LB. At least nothing was planned for the spell, and LvB has been getting all the investigation for possible bugs.
In terms of crits, they can easily vary by ~20% from one fight to another anyway (ignoring special mechanics). A 55% crit rate is pretty much average anyway, or at least its nothing unusual.
If I may say so, it would be slightly more useful if you had linked the two combat logs you mention, in case there is anything going on.
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05/20/09, 8:09 AM
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#445
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Dragonblight (EU)
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Originally Posted by Mmootimus
slightly more useful if you had linked the two combat logs you mention, in case there is anything going on.
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I only have a copy of the recount data which is not as useful as the WWS parse. I will setup one for the Ulduar run tonight.
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05/20/09, 8:19 AM
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#446
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Bald Bull
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Originally Posted by Vontre
For the record I've been making extensive use of PHP's rand() function for a while now and the results always come up as expected.
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BSG Reference Sheet
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05/29/09, 9:03 AM
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#447
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Glass Joe
Worgen Warlock
Blackrock (EU)
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Has anyone abandoned CL from their rotation? At 606 haste and with both haste raid buffs I figured the best rotation would be: LBx5 in the first half and CL/LBx3/CL in the second one. However, my dps in Ulduar gets better without using LB at all and waiting for LvB a little longer. And I guess at the time I get my fourth piece of T8, LB will be even better.
I know there was a discussion about LB and CL going on some time ago and the consensus seemed to be that CL is still useful to tighten the rotation. But is anyone else noticing what I do? Particularly with 4pc T8 as I don't have the chance to test it yet.
I think maybe the LO buff is one reason for this as CL LO has a lower proc chance on single targets than LB LO. Any thoughts?
Last edited by Marvil : 05/29/09 at 10:50 AM.
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06/03/09, 2:29 AM
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#448
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Von Kaiser
Tauren Shaman
Twisting Nether (EU)
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Originally Posted by Marvil
Has anyone abandoned CL from their rotation? At 606 haste and with both haste raid buffs I figured the best rotation would be: LBx5 in the first half and CL/LBx3/CL in the second one. However, my dps in Ulduar gets better without using LB at all and waiting for LvB a little longer. And I guess at the time I get my fourth piece of T8, LB will be even better.
I know there was a discussion about LB and CL going on some time ago and the consensus seemed to be that CL is still useful to tighten the rotation. But is anyone else noticing what I do? Particularly with 4pc T8 as I don't have the chance to test it yet.
I think maybe the LO buff is one reason for this as CL LO has a lower proc chance on single targets than LB LO. Any thoughts?
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I only ever use CL if it can hit more than one target for example on mimiron p4 or kologan. Im also not terribly worried about about a super tight rotation and will throw another lb even thogh it clips my lvb cooldown. If you stand around doing nothing you essentially waste ALL your haste for that duration. My philosophy has served me well and i do the dps to prove it. However this is what works best for me and other players might prefer to wait for the cd to come up.
With the overload change and 4p T8 lb is a fairly potent spell.
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06/05/09, 7:43 AM
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#449
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Silvermoon
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It looks to me like the T8 4pc bonus for electrified is working fine right now.
The damage balance of the 1st electrified dot is being added to the 2nd electrified dot and dealt in 2 ticks over 4 sec.
combat log~
21:10:17> Gizmokaka's Lightning Bolt hits Heroic Training Dummy for 6381 Nature.(339 Resisted) (Critical)
21:10:18> Heroic Training Dummy is afflicted by Gizmokaka's Electrified.
21:10:20> Heroic Training Dummy suffers 229 Nature damage from Gizmokaka's Electrified.(26 Resisted)
21:10:20> Gizmokaka's Lightning Bolt hits Heroic Training Dummy for 7624 Nature.(Critical)
21:10:20> Gizmokaka's Electrified is refreshed on Heroic Training Dummy.
21:10:23> Heroic Training Dummy suffers 433 Nature damage from Gizmokaka's Electrified.
21:10:25> Heroic Training Dummy suffers 433 Nature damage from Gizmokaka's Electrified.
21:10:25> Gizmokaka's Electrified dissipates from Heroic Training Dummy.
1st LB crit - Electrified gains 6381*0.08=510.48 damage to be dealt over 4 sec (ie each tick = 255.24)
2nd LB crit - Electrified gains 7624*0.08=609.92 dmg to be dealt over 4 sec (ie each tick = 304.96)
Except that because only 255 damage had been subtracted from the damage due to be dealt, the remainder was added to the 609.92 from the second crit.
Note: The balance is now at 865 damage due (255+610) so when we divide by 2 ticks, there's the magic number 433! Allowing for slight rounding, each tick is recorded as being 2 sec apart.
Looks like it all adds up folks, thank goodness ^_^
Last edited by Gizmokaka : 06/05/09 at 7:57 AM.
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