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Old 11/23/08, 10:14 AM   #46
Rouncer
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Originally Posted by Toots Hepcat View Post
You are already doing it wrong.

Glyph of Stormstrike > Glyph of Windfury Weapon > Glyph of Earth Shock > Glyph of Flametongue > Glyph of Lava Lash > Glyph of Lightning Shield

Can be tested easily in enhsim.

Actually it's

SS > *ES > WF = FT = LS > LL

*except that the ES glyph is currently bugged and just should be kept in the bank until it is fixed.

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums ->

is the Beta post I made testing the ES glyph and Ghostcrawler's reply showing that Blizzard is at least aware of the Bug and working on fixing it. Once fixed it will be the 2nd best glyph behind SS followed by all the others.

edit - looks like they just pulled the Beta forums - basically the glyph is being capped at a 1 second GCD even though it is supposed to be able to reduce the GCD to under 1 second. Ghostcrawler responded that they will be looking into it and trying to have it working properly soon.

Use this script to test the ES glyph for yourself.

/run hooksecurefunc("CooldownFrame_SetTimer", function(_, start, duration, enable) if start > 0 and enable > 0 then DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(duration) end end)
Originally Posted by Malan View Post
They are not scaling at all, and from what I understood from beta they aren't going to scale with AP, they'll scale with stamina and Hit Rating.
MMO-Champion BlueTracker - GC: Shaman's Spirit Wolves still not scaling

Fixed in next patch.

Also GC posted on the now lost Beta forums that the wolves were going to be scaling with Shaman's Hit, Stam and AP. In the thread where he responded he originally said they were going to scale with our strength but when everyone started pointing out that we no longer like strength very much as a stat he rescinded that statement and said they will be scaling with our AP.

Easiest way to test if the hotfix has gone live is to check your wolves hitpoints when summoned naked and when summoned with all your gear on. If you are interested in more detail, or want to help test the scaling factors once the hotfix goes live, copy/paste the following and run it (I just keep it macroed for easy use) to be able to open a pet tab whenever your wolves are active.

/run if not oldHasPetUI then oldHasPetUI = HasPetUI; HasPetUI = function() return true, false; end end PetTab_Update() ToggleCharacter("PetPaperDollFrame")

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Old 11/24/08, 6:47 AM   #47
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Simple question:

Any reason there isn't a new Enhancement Shaman thread in this sub-forum? We need somewhere to post our collective wisdom

Author of ShockAndAwe Enhancement Shaman max dps addon
Please use the EnhSim by Ziff & others to simulate what gear, priorities etc are the best dps. You can use ShockAndAwe to export your paperdoll stats to EnhSim.

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Old 11/24/08, 9:56 AM   #48
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I see the top shaman are gemming their meta socket with the new [Ember Skyflare Diamond]

While I can't find someone who can cut this on my server, after getting a new helm from Naxx tonight I decided to gem the old [Ember Skyfire Diamond] and watched my intellect before and after, and it increased by...3. Is this a bug? Or does this only affect BASE int? If so its pretty underwhelming...

Just to clarify I have 792 intellect (138 + 654) and my total amount increase by 3 with this meta.

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Old 11/24/08, 10:33 AM   #49
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Were you by chance using the int and mana regen meta? That might be it

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Old 11/24/08, 11:36 AM   #50
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I'm not sure why anyone would be using the [Ember Skyflare Diamond] when [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] is available.

The first is 25 spell power + 2% int which, even with a sizable mana pool, AK and BoK, will still only come to 20-25 int (so 12-15 mp5 and a tiny amount of healing and crit).

On the other hand, the [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] is 21 int and a chance for 600 mana, which looking at my WWS reports seems to be the normal 45 secs hidden cooldown procing once per minute for an astounding 50mp5. 25 spell power is two red gems - what price 50mp5?

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Old 11/24/08, 11:53 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Levva View Post
Simple question:

Any reason there isn't a new Enhancement Shaman thread in this sub-forum? We need somewhere to post our collective wisdom
The goal is to no longer have "mega threads" that handle every topic under the sun for a particular spec/class. If people have enhancement discussions, they should start a new thread devoted to a particular issue.

Originally Posted by browncowdown View Post
in a raid situation..what is better right now, WF/FT or WF/WF..my current weapons are Titainsteel Bonecrusher and The Stray
Seriously, use the sim. If you're too lazy to do that, use rockbiter.

Originally Posted by Sorrugis View Post
My question is this; How do you heal in the arena? I would love to know what type of macros / mods you use to perform various actions (poison removal, LHW spams, ect). .
Probably an issue broad enough that you should start a thread in the PvP sub-forum.

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Old 11/24/08, 12:01 PM   #52
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Question regarding Enhancement:

Pre-WotLK I was sitting at roughly 29% crit unbuffed. In raid with buffs and procs I could see my crit reach ~45% if not more. I was wondering, did anyone ever find out if there is a "cap" on crit? By that, I mean at what point should one consider stacking up raw AP over Crit/AP+crit? (provided Hit/expertise cap are reached of course)

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Old 11/24/08, 12:22 PM   #53
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Crit has diminishing returns the closer to 100% you get, so yes there is a "cap" on it where eventually crit will provide less DPS than some other stat.

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Old 11/24/08, 3:52 PM   #54
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Originally Posted by Frosthoof View Post
Question regarding Enhancement:

Pre-WotLK I was sitting at roughly 29% crit unbuffed. In raid with buffs and procs I could see my crit reach ~45% if not more. I was wondering, did anyone ever find out if there is a "cap" on crit? By that, I mean at what point should one consider stacking up raw AP over Crit/AP+crit? (provided Hit/expertise cap are reached of course)
There is also a hard cap depending on how much of your hit table the "hit" portion makes up. Chance to crit cannot be larger than your total chance to land a hit.

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Old 11/24/08, 4:56 PM   #55
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Does anyone know where one might find a list/chart of the base stats (Or just Int) for the various races of shamans? I've been hunting around trying to locate anything, but not turning up with much.

For example, I read that a troll shaman will have 104 base int at level 70. I'd also like 71-80, and the other races. If all else fails, I will make due with level 70 and 80, then just pull some numbers to fill in the gaps.

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Old 11/24/08, 8:41 PM   #56
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Originally Posted by Frosthoof View Post
I was wondering, did anyone ever find out if there is a "cap" on crit?
There are three:

White Cap = 100 - Glancing - Miss - Dodge = 100 - 25 - (28 - Hit) - (6.5 - .25 * Expertise) = 60.07% for a shaman with no expertise who's spell hit capped (6 + 13.57 hit)
Yellow Cap = 100 - Miss - Dodge = 93.5% for a shaman with no expertise who's spell hit capped.
Spell Cap = 100 - Miss = 100% for a shaman who's spell hit capped

By that, I mean at what point should one consider stacking up raw AP over Crit/AP+crit?
And this is where frequent simulation cycles come into play. 60.07% seems high, but it's possible with crit rating procs, ED and mongoose you'd go above 60% crit at some point in your DPS cycle. I suggest running the sim after every upgrade; shoot tukez has that thing spitting out results in less than a minute

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Old 11/24/08, 10:11 PM   #57
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Originally Posted by Toots Hepcat View Post
And this is where frequent simulation cycles come into play. 60.07% seems high, but it's possible with crit rating procs, ED and mongoose you'd go above 60% crit at some point in your DPS cycle. I suggest running the sim after every upgrade; shoot tukez has that thing spitting out results in less than a minute
It's starting to look like we need something similar for Elemental too.

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Old 11/25/08, 2:36 AM   #58
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Enhancement Question.

After using the simulator I arrived at:
[Stonebreaker's Totem] > [Totem of Splintering] > [Totem of Dueling]

But Im unsure of where [Totem of the Elemental Plane] fits in as I dont know its uptime.

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Old 11/25/08, 6:45 AM   #59
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Enhancement:
I just used the aep (*100) I got from the simulator in lootrank and got some really strange results for the Mainhand.
Loot Rank for WOLTK
Are there any mistakes or are Caster Weapons really that good? The aep for MH/OH-speed are estimated, so probably the reoson are those numbers, but I don't know how to get exact numbers.

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Old 11/25/08, 8:43 AM   #60
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Originally Posted by IMB111 View Post
Enhancement:
I just used the aep (*100) I got from the simulator in lootrank and got some really strange results for the Mainhand.
Loot Rank for WOLTK
Are there any mistakes or are Caster Weapons really that good? The aep for MH/OH-speed are estimated, so probably the reoson are those numbers, but I don't know how to get exact numbers.
Increase the speed value by about 50%.

There is a formula for calculating the value for weapon speed on the first page of this thread, hell it's the very first question asked and it's answered in the next post.

Also you may want to try inputting actual AeP values into Lootrank so the results have a bit more relevance, putting strength in as 1.10 when AP is set to 1 and so forth so the ranking will show the differences between the items in regard to actual attackpower instead of those massive numbers with no real link to anything.

Shaman: Enhancement

Is the post I made on the TTT about intro-raiding AeP values and it has a link to a lootlink with correct weapon speed values for that level of gear.


All that said, yes, spellpower weapons aren't anywhere near as bad as they used to be for us since Spellpower is approaching a AeP value of 1 so they will show up on your lootrank list. Leave them for the Elemental Shaman though, since they will derive more benefit then you will from them.


Edited to add a question of my own:

I've been playing with the Sim regarding weapon speed and I've noticed something strange. Matched weapon speeds work out to more dps even when using Windfury/Flametongue. Can anyone think of a logical reason why that would be true or could it be a flaw in the simulator?

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