I know it seems crazy but its something thats confused me for abit. When using ENHSIM to calculate EP's for gearing up etc
I shouldnt have any of the buffs/food etc ticked when doing so right? or should I? :<
Hello guys, I would like to ask some questions about Enhancement and Elemental Specs:
Elemental question : Which is the cap spell hit RATING while you are in raid with SP/Moonkin? Is it 265? Can someone confirm this?
Enhancement question : Unleashed rage stacks with Trueshot aura? If you have MM spec hunter in raid, you dont really need enhancement shammy for teh unleashed rage lets say?
Hello guys, I would like to ask some questions about Enhancement and Elemental Specs:
Elemental question : Which is the cap spell hit RATING while you are in raid with SP/Moonkin? Is it 265? Can someone confirm this?
Enhancement question : Unleashed rage stacks with Trueshot aura? If you have MM spec hunter in raid, you dont really need enhancement shammy for teh unleashed rage lets say?
Hello! Wondering if it's worth casting a new Flame Shock (clipping) when you get an important trinket proc or buff, such as Dying Curse or something ?
As Flame Shock is 3rd (or 4th when using Chain Lightning appropriately) on our list of damage done by spells, prioritizing it as such during a 10 second trinket proc is a net loss. If it happens to fall into your rotation during the proc, great, but don't refresh because of it.
As Flame Shock is 3rd (or 4th when using Chain Lightning appropriately) on our list of damage done by spells, prioritizing it as such during a 10 second trinket proc is a net loss. If it happens to fall into your rotation during the proc, great, but don't refresh because of it.
Well, it is and it isn't. If you let the dot run it's full length, it's the highest damage/cast time spell we have. However, if you start clipping that dot early, that value goes down. So I agree with the statement of "No", but your reasoning is a bit flawed.
Quick question: does the short cooldown on orb procs reset when a shield expires? In other words, if a tank loses the last ES charge and I reapply it instantly, will it proc immediately (assuming he's being hit) or still have the 2.5s~ lull-time?
Is it the same for WS?
Why did we Shamans get 5% SpellCritical for our weaopnskill 400?
I tested it with other classes, but only the shaman's SpellCritical is increasing by 5%.
Quick question: does the short cooldown on orb procs reset when a shield expires? In other words, if a tank loses the last ES charge and I reapply it instantly, will it proc immediately (assuming he's being hit) or still have the 2.5s~ lull-time?
Is it the same for WS?
Thank you.
No, the cooldown does not reset. If you refresh ES right as it runs out you will still have to wait the three seconds before it can procc again. The people above me that says differently are either incorrect or referring to the situation where you have no shield up and then apply one, in which case the shield will be able to procc right away. This is extremely easy to test with a low-level mob.
Why did we Shamans get 5% SpellCritical for our weaopnskill 400?
I tested it with other classes, but only the shaman's SpellCritical is increasing by 5%.
Thundering Strikes is only active when you have a weapon equipped.
After perusing a couple of months' worth of logs (worldoflogs) and punching them into a spreadsheet, I noticed that lightning overload does indeed not seem to proc at 33%. Summing all our elemental shaman across raids going back to 05/14, I come up with a grand total of 39062 hits+crits proccing 11918 LOs, for a rate of 30.51%. Only once in a single raid did someone exceed the 33% rate. IIRC stats I correctly, it should be closer to 50% of the time.
It has been a really long time since I last did I confidence interval, I can't remotely remember the formula, but I suspect that 39k data points puts us at a pretty high CI.
So my quick questions:
1) Most importantly: Has anyone else noticed this?
2) Is it possibly hiccups in how world of logs parses LO's? Or hiccups in the wow parser? Or hiccups in the data collection?
3) Is it a statistically meaningful sample size?
4) Should I stop worrying about a 2.5% discrepancy in a talent responsible for ~6.5% of my DPS and get back to work before I get fired?
I would go with #4, purely because a -2.5% discrepancy is still fairly close to the "expected" value, and it's very unlikely that any test will result in an exact 33% figure.
After perusing a couple of months' worth of logs (worldoflogs) and punching them into a spreadsheet, I noticed that lightning overload does indeed not seem to proc at 33%. Summing all our elemental shaman across raids going back to 05/14, I come up with a grand total of 39062 hits+crits proccing 11918 LOs, for a rate of 30.51%. Only once in a single raid did someone exceed the 33% rate. IIRC stats I correctly, it should be closer to 50% of the time.
It has been a really long time since I last did I confidence interval, I can't remotely remember the formula, but I suspect that 39k data points puts us at a pretty high CI.
So my quick questions:
1) Most importantly: Has anyone else noticed this?
2) Is it possibly hiccups in how world of logs parses LO's? Or hiccups in the wow parser? Or hiccups in the data collection?
3) Is it a statistically meaningful sample size?
4) Should I stop worrying about a 2.5% discrepancy in a talent responsible for ~6.5% of my DPS and get back to work before I get fired?
I would say that 3 would be most relevant depending on how big your sample is. Its kinda of a rule in statistics that large numbers of data have a much higher confidence interval. Meaning that its more likely that you can be sure your data is correct as small amounts of data will have outliers that skew the results. Remember in most statistical data there is always some margin of error to account for. How much of a margin of error should you have? Well that varies depending on how you collect and interpret your data.
After perusing a couple of months' worth of logs (worldoflogs) and punching them into a spreadsheet, I noticed that lightning overload does indeed not seem to proc at 33%. Summing all our elemental shaman across raids going back to 05/14, I come up with a grand total of 39062 hits+crits proccing 11918 LOs, for a rate of 30.51%. Only once in a single raid did someone exceed the 33% rate. IIRC stats I correctly, it should be closer to 50% of the time.
It has been a really long time since I last did I confidence interval, I can't remotely remember the formula, but I suspect that 39k data points puts us at a pretty high CI.
So my quick questions:
1) Most importantly: Has anyone else noticed this?
2) Is it possibly hiccups in how world of logs parses LO's? Or hiccups in the wow parser? Or hiccups in the data collection?
3) Is it a statistically meaningful sample size?
4) Should I stop worrying about a 2.5% discrepancy in a talent responsible for ~6.5% of my DPS and get back to work before I get fired?
I'm wondering if you only had boss parses or also included trash. I could possibly see that with trash since if the mob dies before LO goes off it would skew the amount of LOs slightly. Otherwise I'd chalk it up to a lousy rng but not worth worrying about.
Obtained [Touch of Madness] for my enhancement set and with it I'm now expertise capped in MH (I'm an orc) but the OH ([Angry Dread]) still sits at 22 expertise. Is it worth getting those last 30-40 rating so that the OH is capped as well or how much am I really losing, if anything?
My guild just asked me to start bringing my shaman to raids (good) - but as elemental which I have about 60 minutes of experience doing (bad).
My question pertains to Totem of Wrath (the primary reason they want me). I see that ToW has 2 effects - increased spell damage for raid members and 3% crit on mobs affected by the totem. To clarify - I need the totem to be in range of the boss for the 3% crit AND in range of the raid to give the spell damage bonus correct? If I drop the totem too far out, the spell damage is increased, but the 3% crit isn't applied right?
Obtained [Touch of Madness] for my enhancement set and with it I'm now expertise capped in MH (I'm an orc) but the OH ([Angry Dread]) still sits at 22 expertise. Is it worth getting those last 30-40 rating so that the OH is capped as well or how much am I really losing, if anything?
You can test this for yourself in EnhSim, but if memory serves me correctly, my EP for OH only expertise was somewhere around 1.4. With that in mind, I would treat it like hit above cap and stop gemming for it.
I'm wondering if you only had boss parses or also included trash. I could possibly see that with trash since if the mob dies before LO goes off it would skew the amount of LOs slightly. Otherwise I'd chalk it up to a lousy rng but not worth worrying about.
This kept bugging me. I was hesitant to disagree with you guys, so I went and dug up my old stats books. It can absolutely positively not be chalked up to a bad RNG, and it is not anywhere near an expected value. It is orders of magnitude off the charts improbable.
I can post up the math if you doubt it, but anyway.
That leaves me with bogus data collection as a possible cause. If a couple of folks want to offer up logs (or links to logs) that include elemental shaman, I would be much appreciative. (Even better would be to sum up a large number of LB/LO but I'm not holding my breath.) I would rather have a few links than stumble around log sites blind.
Randomly checked some General Vezax, Assembly of Iron, Ignis (I'm never on shatter duty) fights I was in, all had LB-LO proc rate of 31.5%-33.5%. Fights where there are adds (Yogg-Saron, Freya, Razorscale) show a lower proc rate of about 30%.
A mate of mine told me it would be the best rotation for my current haste, but not sure. Yes, I have the 4p bonus. Armory to the left.
What's your opion(s) on this ?
07/17/09, 8:18 PM
