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Old 10/26/09, 12:36 AM   #1226
Holeyfield
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Okay, so I've read all over this place that the Electrifying Wind totem is the one we want as Elemental, but my Hex totem rawr's for higher DPS. Am I just misreading this or something?

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Old 10/26/09, 4:53 AM   #1227
Lord Helmchen
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Are you using the bugged version of Rawr (2.2.23), that adds the spellpower of hex one time for each spell in the rotation?

As soon as I find such a bug I post an update to the Elemental Rawr module development thread and update the elemental page on the Rawr Wiki

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Old 10/26/09, 8:44 AM   #1228
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Originally Posted by Lord Helmchen View Post
Are you using the bugged version of Rawr (2.2.23), that adds the spellpower of hex one time for each spell in the rotation?

As soon as I find such a bug I post an update to the Elemental Rawr module development thread and update the elemental page on the Rawr Wiki
Actually I'm using the new 2.2.24 version, but maybe it's a bug that was carried over? Because I was getting the same results in 2.2.23.
 
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Old 10/26/09, 11:07 AM   #1229
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Rawr recommends a lot of various spellpower gear for us enhancement shaman. Is that an actual upgrade or should we ignore some of those suggestions?

For example:

I currently have

[Hammerhead Sharkskin Cloak]

And it recommends this as an upgrade

[Pennant Cloak]
 
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Old 10/26/09, 11:26 AM   #1230
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Spell power is generally about as useful to an enhancement shaman as attack power. Sometimes this means that an item with spell power is a significant upgrade for us. Most famously, the [Wraith Strike] fist weapon was a slow weapon with enough spell power to make it tied for BiS during t7 content. It seems that Blizzard learned their lesson; presumably that weapon was intended for caster shaman and moonkin. Now you will still find some spell power upgrades (and yes they probably really are upgrades), but they will likely be a much bigger upgrade for someone else.
 
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Old 10/26/09, 11:46 AM   #1231
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Well, I guess what I'm asking is... Are there cases where the Hex totem might be better for a DPS increase rather then the Electrifying Wind totem for an Elemental? Maybe the Rawr is correct in this case... Hell, I dunno. I just thought I'd shoot it out there and see what ya'll thought.
 
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Old 10/26/09, 2:20 PM   #1232
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Currently? Unlikely. For me RAWR is giving me outputs where haste is nearly as good as SP. Once you blow by the haste softcap in ICC then maybe.
 
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Old 10/26/09, 4:44 PM   #1233
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Elemental oath + Moonkin Aura

Elemental oath + Moonkin Aura

I know that they don't stack but do we still get the + 10% sp from the CC+Oath buff. Since the aura overwrite the oath ?

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Old 10/27/09, 8:39 AM   #1234
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Originally Posted by ZevS View Post
Elemental oath + Moonkin Aura

I know that they don't stack but do we still get the + 10% sp from the CC+Oath buff. Since the aura overwrite the oath ?
Yes, you still get the 10% buff.
 
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Old 10/27/09, 4:43 PM   #1235
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Hi Guys,

Considering that same faction race changes have now opened up and me being a Tauren enhancement shaman, it doesn't really come with any PvE advantages, Would anyone happen to know how the Troll racials stack up against the Orc racials and which one race could be considered the best?
 
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Old 10/27/09, 5:41 PM   #1236
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Originally Posted by Skeptikk View Post
Hi Guys,

Considering that same faction race changes have now opened up and me being a Tauren enhancement shaman, it doesn't really come with any PvE advantages, Would anyone happen to know how the Troll racials stack up against the Orc racials and which one race could be considered the best?
Same as this but for elemental, which is the best DPS between Troll and Orc?
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Old 10/27/09, 6:02 PM   #1237
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Bink's SEIC spreadsheet evaluates racial bonuses for elemental shamans based on your stats.

My Elemental Shaman blog: Planet of the Hats!
Home of the Beginner's Guide and the ZAP! spreadsheet.
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Old 10/27/09, 7:39 PM   #1238
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Originally Posted by Zamir View Post
Bink's SEIC spreadsheet evaluates racial bonuses for elemental shamans based on your stats.
Bink removed his blog that had a link to his spreadsheet (likely someone else has a copy though).

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Old 10/27/09, 9:37 PM   #1239
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Originally Posted by Holeyfield View Post
Actually I'm using the new 2.2.24 version, but maybe it's a bug that was carried over? Because I was getting the same results in 2.2.23.
If you are using the totem of Hex you would need less mana and deal less damage. Since by default no replenishment buff is checked it thinks you are running out of mana and suggests to use the Totem of Hex instead.
I'll see to it that the module activates some default buffs in the next release.

In short: The Totem of Electrifying winds is much better.

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Old 10/28/09, 10:09 AM   #1240
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Originally Posted by Skeptikk
Hi Guys,

Considering that same faction race changes have now opened up and me being a Tauren enhancement shaman, it doesn't really come with any PvE advantages, Would anyone happen to know how the Troll racials stack up against the Orc racials and which one race could be considered the best?

Same as this but for elemental, which is the best DPS between Troll and Orc?
Thanks
Not too sure how much it differs depends on personal stat, but I think I remember it was mentioned that Troll's racial slightly ahead in terms of elemental.
 
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Old 10/28/09, 10:00 PM   #1241
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Shiny Shard of the Gods proc rate / CD?

even after a whole time of search I found only different opinions about the ony trinket set.

I got [Shiny Shard of the Flame] and hestitate to make some efforts for getting [Shiny Shard of the Scale] for the set bonus.

Does anyone have provable data about the proc rate, internal cd, and if the cauterizing heal scales with spellpower?

From my restoration point of view it could (if appropriate) replace the [Energy Siphon] [Forethought Talisman] combo.

But if they really only look nicer then they are it is only worth to think about them in pvp terms.

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Old 10/29/09, 1:36 AM   #1242
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Except you would be using at least 1 PvP trinket in terms of meaningful pvp, so it is not worth it to gather them at all, really.
 
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Old 10/29/09, 4:49 PM   #1243
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I played with the concept when they were first datamined, and with equipping both of them you are looking at roughly the stats of one top 3 trinket. This was from an ele shaman perspective, so I all but ignored the mana regen from it. They aren't a bad trinket combo, but they aren't good by any means.

From a healing standpoint, it is extremely unlikely they scale with spellpower. However, the internal cooldown is the same as nearly every other proc like that in the game. (45 seconds). The heal ends up a bit weaker than the Forethought Talisman HoT, but less likely to get consumed by overheal like the proc HoTs do.

Boondok hit it on the head for us, they suck for PVP because we can't be humans, but the Human Priests were salivating over them.

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Old 10/31/09, 2:16 PM   #1244
Calibanè
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Will Elemental TTT come back?

I found Resto TTT very useful and because of changing my 2nd spec to elemental i wanted to take a look at Elemental TTT.

Although there are links from Enh/Resto-TTT to it, i have no access. Is it in revision and will come back (when) or will it be inaccessible permanently?
 
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Old 11/03/09, 9:13 AM   #1245
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Hey guys, i've been trying to figure out how to calculate my EP as Enh but have come up short. I read over the EP section of the TTT and went to wowhead and downloaded the EP ad on as well, but was unable to find the info on wowhead and unable to figure out the ad on.. I know lame. I've asked around too to get an idea from some other Enh's but those efforts also came up fruitless. Granted I'm not very computer savvy when it comes to figuring out programs and I've not had luck looking for other sites for calculating EP, can anyone point me in the general direction of getting starting with this, ie: is there a simpler way to calculate EP? I've not had much luck at all with my efforts so far. I've tried Rawr and Enhsim but couldn't figure either of them out.
 
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Old 11/03/09, 11:02 AM   #1246
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Hey guys, i've been trying to figure out how to calculate my EP as Enh but have come up short. I read over the EP section of the TTT and went to wowhead and downloaded the EP ad on as well, but was unable to find the info on wowhead and unable to figure out the ad on.. I know lame. I've asked around too to get an idea from some other Enh's but those efforts also came up fruitless. Granted I'm not very computer savvy when it comes to figuring out programs and I've not had luck looking for other sites for calculating EP, can anyone point me in the general direction of getting starting with this, ie: is there a simpler way to calculate EP? I've not had much luck at all with my efforts so far. I've tried Rawr and Enhsim but couldn't figure either of them out.
Here's a quick run through, so hopefully I don't miss anything. There are a couple ways to get your stats into EnhSim, such as Rawr, Shock and Awe, and manual input, but since I use Rawr, that's how I'll describe it here.

First, download both Rawr and EnhSim. Unzip the folders to wherever you want. Open the Rawr file and when it opens, you'll get a little welcome window thing. You can either click "load from the armory" here or close the window and do the same by clicking down the "file" menu.

Once you put in your character's name and server, it should load all your character's info. If Armory is down or not working, then of course it will give you an error.

Take a quick look through the stuff and make sure you didn't log out in PvP gear or anything.

Next, click the "buffs" tab and check off any buffs that you expect to have during your raid. If you don't have something like Misery/Imp Faerie Fire checked off, then this may skew your EP results since not being spell hit capped makes a big difference.

Then, click the "Options" tab and under that click the EnhSim tab. You will see a big button that says "Export Stats to EnhSim Config File"

Now you'll want to open the folder with your EnhSim stuff. Open the file called EnhSim GUI.

When this window opens, you'll see a button to the far left that says "Copy from Clipboard." Click this to load up your character's stats.

Once you have your character loaded in, choose the tab called "Rotation and Misc." Here you will input the rotation/priority to follow for the simulation. Adjust this by checking the box next to abilities you want to use (ex: SS = Stormstrike). After you have checked an ability, use the arrows to the right to move the highlighted ability up or down your priority.

After you have this set up, you can get your EP values by the big button to the right called "Calculate EP Values." Clicking this will open a window which quickly gives you your EP values.

Hope that helps.

(btw, if you're using a Mac, I think you're just screwed).

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Old 11/04/09, 10:52 AM   #1247
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Does having the two piece tier 9 bonus ("Adds an additional 3% chance to trigger your Static Shock talent") do enough to justify altering my spell rotation to give refreshing my Lightning Shield a higher priority? I tried moving it up one notch in Enhsim, and I ended up with lower dps.
 
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Old 11/04/09, 12:22 PM   #1248
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Originally Posted by Shammiewow View Post
Does having the two piece tier 9 bonus ("Adds an additional 3% chance to trigger your Static Shock talent") do enough to justify altering my spell rotation to give refreshing my Lightning Shield a higher priority? I tried moving it up one notch in Enhsim, and I ended up with lower dps.
Sounds like you just answered your own question.

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Old 11/04/09, 3:46 PM   #1249
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If you were a shaman who was main tank healing, would it be more beneficial to use LHW or HW?
 
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Old 11/04/09, 7:15 PM   #1250
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If you were a shaman who was main tank healing, would it be more beneficial to use LHW or HW?
Typically I use LHW (with earth shield on the tank and LHW glyph) by default. If however you are noticing the tank is not quickly topped off after your LHW feel free to throw in some HWs as well. You do not have to use one or the other exclusively. I frequently mix in a HW if tidal waves is up and its unlikely HW will overheal. If tidal waves is not up I tend to LHW since the cast time of HW can lead to spikes in the tanks health. As always pay attention to your situation and adapt.

 
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