Shaman: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 51

Khralokh · 04/14/09, 4:49 PM

HST is still limited to party.

Isntprepared · 04/14/09, 8:02 PM

Hello,

If the Enhsim thread was the more appropriate place to ask this question, apologies in advance. That said, I have a question as to how the community uses Enhsim in terms of the stated dps output and using that to better their playstyle.

Right now, the way I have the sim configured, it produces results that are easily 1k+ dps above the highest dps output I've ever achieved on a boss fight. I know that the numbers are unrealistically high, as Enhsim assumes a perfect rotation every time, no lag, in range to the boss 100% of the time, no movement in the fight etc. In other words, pie-in-the-sky numbers. Even on static fights like Kel'Thuzad where if you do your job properly you can sit and do as close to an optimal rotation as you can for several minutes.... I haven't come close to the dps output that Enhsim suggests that I should be capable of.

So, with that out of the way, what percentage of Enhsim's output do you feel is reasonable to shoot for? What I am trying to do is to use Enhsim as a benchmark to see where / if my rotation can be improved, or put in other terms, to determine if I am sucking. I realize that every encounter is different, and that how close you can get to your optimal dps output will be dictated by that encounter, but I would think that I should be able to get SOME sort of ballpark estimate and just mentally adjust downwards for fights that have a lot of movement in them, etc.

Related to the above question, is what numbers (if any) you put into the sim to simulate latency + human reaction time? I can pay attention to my latency to the realm for a few days and get a reasonable estimate of low to high numbers, and add in a fudge factor for reaction time... but I am not certain how much should be realistically added for that second part. Suggestions are welcome.

Thanks in advance!

Akumasama · 04/15/09, 9:16 AM

Three simple Elemental questions, I hope my ignorance won't offend anybody

Glyph of Totem of Wrath should be better than Glyph of Lava when you still have bad gear and your spell power is low, right? But does this 5 mins bonus we get "stack" with other raid buffs?
The most common rotation is: FS, Lava, LB until lava is ready, Lava, repeat (around 17 secs should have occurred and the FS dot is about to expire). Anything wrong?
Is reverberation any good? I always included in my theory builds, but now I'm starting to think it's more of an Enhancement talent than an Elemental one. So if I'm right, something like THIS would probably be better than the one I had in mind, THIS

Again, I'm dualspeccing from Resto, I still have a lot to learn, I really hope I didn't get anybody mad with these questions.

Dimar · 04/15/09, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Akumasama

Three simple Elemental questions, I hope my ignorance won't offend anybody

Glyph of Totem of Wrath should be better than Glyph of Lava when you still have bad gear and your spell power is low, right? But does this 5 mins bonus we get "stack" with other raid buffs?
The most common rotation is: FS, Lava, LB until lava is ready, Lava, repeat (around 17 secs should have occurred and the FS dot is about to expire). Anything wrong?
Is reverberation any good? I always included in my theory builds, but now I'm starting to think it's more of an Enhancement talent than an Elemental one. So if I'm right, something like THIS would probably be better than the one I had in mind, THIS

Again, I'm dualspeccing from Resto, I still have a lot to learn, I really hope I didn't get anybody mad with these questions.

I'm no expert but I'll give it a shot.

1) I haven't personally tested it yet but my understanding is the buff stacks with others.

2) Short answer is yes. Longer answer is you want to minimize dead space in your rotation so sometimes a chain lightning will be better than a lightning bolt at certain spots, depending on your haste.

3) Yes Reverb is a PvP/Enhance talent. I'd throw leftover points in talents that increase mana efficiency like Convection or even Totemic Focus (assuming all core DPS talents are covered).

Best places for general ideas are the Elemental TTT, Rotations, or the WWS threads.

Nyclone · 04/15/09, 1:54 PM

1.Glyph of Totem of Wrath should be better than Glyph of Lava when you still have bad gear and your spell power is low, right? But does this 5 mins bonus we get "stack" with other raid buffs?

To further extrapolate on this topic, at what spell power threshold is Glyph of totem of wrath > Glyph of Lava? If Lavaburst is roughly 25% of your total boss dmg for a typical 4 hour raid(naxx run+), and totem of wrath gives 84 EXTRA spellpower that does stack with the totem being down, at what level of SP would lava be more beneficial?

Since lavaburst is getting the 84 spell power bonus as well as all your other damaging spells, the conversion seems difficult to determine.

So, is lavaburst having 110% of spell power effectiveness greater than all your damaging spell having 84 flat spell power?

In a different line of thinking, would Glyph of totem of wrath > glyph of lightning bolt? At what threshold is 84 flat spell power superior to 4% more damage to just Lightning Bolt?

Please answer with rationale and possibly supporting math if you could.

Sprout · 04/15/09, 1:54 PM

I picked up the goggles from Uldaar last night and started looking at where/when I should use them. This got me comparing the offset i226 gear to the T 8.5 gear to T 7.5 with our 4 piece set bonus

Below are a bunch of numbers and comparisons. Im assuming that it would be unwise to break T 7.5 4 piece in 25 man raids as the 5% to CH & HW is such a great bonus. that means yu will be waiting on 4 piece T 8/8.5 bonuses before you swap. I did not include the T8 gear because the permutations would become kind of crazy.

that having been said here is how I THINK it plays out.

Compare offset T8.5 to i226 Uldaar gear (assume T8.5 is the focus, so the +/- shows T 8.5 compared to offset)
for socket bonus, T 8.5 is 1st

Head
Steamworker's Goggles
[Steamworker's Goggles]
T 8.5
[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Headpiece]
Compare
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-22 mp5
+2 SP
+59 Haste
socket Bonus (+9 SP vs +8 haste)

Shoulder
Amice of the Stoic Watch
[Amice of the Stoic Watch]
T8.5
[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Spaulders]
compare
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+4 int
+57 haste
-10 sta
-57 crit

Chest
(3 pieces here. T 8.5, Haste chest and Maly Crit Chest. I will compare both offset pieces to the T 8.5)
Quartz-studded Harness
[Quartz-studded Harness]
Tunic of the Artifact Guardian
[Tunic of the Artifact Guardian]
T8.5
[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Tunic]
compare
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Harness vs T8.5
+5 int
-14 Sta
+4 mp5
+60 crit
-66 haste rating
+2 SP

Tunic vs T8.5
+4 int
+4 sta
+7 mp5
-10 crit
-22 SP
1 blue gem
socket (+7 SP vs +4 crit)

Hands
(3 pieces here, T8.5 gloves, Maly gloves and Gloves of Augury. I will compare both offset gloves to the T8.5)
Glove of Augury
[Gloves of Augury]
Winter spectacle Gloves
[Winter Spectacle Gloves]
T8.5
[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Handguards]
Compare
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Augury vs T8.5
+8 int
-21 STA
-20 MP5
-12 Crit
+57 Haste
-10 SP
+ 1 Yellow socket
Socket Bonus (+7 SP vs Nothing)

Winter vs T8.5
+2 int
-8 Sta
-25 mp5
+48 crit
+9 haste
-9 SP
+ 1 Yellow socket
Socket Bonus (+7 SP vs Nothing)

Legs
Leggings of the Stoneweaver
[Leggings of the Stoneweaver]
T8.5
[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Legguards]
Compare
Item Comparison Tool - World of Warcraft
+5 int
-14 sta
-9 SP
1 Blue Gem
Socket Bonus (+6 int vs 2 mp5)

Assuming you have the following sets, here would be BiS i226 gear:

Haste
4 piece T8.5 with Quartz-studded Harness (Chest)

Crit
4 Piece T8.5 with Amice of the Stoic Watch (shoulder)

MP5 (crit secondary)
4 Piece T8.5 with Glove of Augury (hands)
4 Piece T8.5 with Steamworker's Goggles (Head) is a good secondary option

MP5 (Haste Secondary)
4 piece T8.5 with Quartz-studded Harness (Chest)

MP5 (max mp5, no 4 piece bonus)
Steamworker's Goggles + T8.5 Shoulders + T8.5 Chest + Winter spectacle Gloves + T8.5 Legs

St4ud3 · 04/16/09, 8:20 PM

I heard from various people that Totem of Hex would be better for an Enhancer than Totem of Dueling. With the haste buff, is that still the case?

Kalmorion · 04/17/09, 5:08 AM

I think it's dependant on your other gear but i simmed it for me and got a 1.1 dps difference with totem of dueling being better. So i rather say they're equal now.

Brave91 · 04/17/09, 6:35 PM

Hey guys with the spec i currently have and the gear i have im only doing about 4.5k dps i was wondering if theres anything i could do or get to improve my dps.

here my shaman enh of course lol
The World of Warcraft Armory
i also have the nobles deck in my bags but i gota wait for the next darkmoon faire to come around so i can compplete the quest

St4ud3 · 04/17/09, 8:26 PM

Originally Posted by Brave91

Hey guys with the spec i currently have and the gear i have im only doing about 4.5k dps i was wondering if theres anything i could do or get to improve my dps.

here my shaman enh of course lol
The World of Warcraft Armory
i also have the nobles deck in my bags but i gota wait for the next darkmoon faire to come around so i can compplete the quest

You have too much expertise and hit rating. That will free up some gem slots.

Fye-san · 04/17/09, 11:05 PM

I've viewed the TTT on this and can't quite find a straight answer. With the lack of unholy aura 3.1 on, will we return to using a runspeed type enchant on boots as we did in TBC?

Handyhoof · 04/18/09, 10:26 AM

Yes. On any fight involving lost dps due to movement, run speed is your best option. Since there are no tank/spank fights in Ulduar, this should be your de facto enchant. I use it as a healer as well for the same reason. If I have to move, it minimizes the time I can't cast. On a similar note, movement is a great time to refresh totems and shields so you can spend your stationary time being maximally effective.

pukabg · 04/18/09, 2:02 PM

I was wondering if anyone had the time or was willing to put together a thread like the moonkin for dummies thread, for enhancement? The thread provides constantly updated basics for those trying to get into the class, and makes sorting through 30 pages of posts to find an answer easier. If not, no biggie but it would be a nice addition :-)

Totemmik · 04/18/09, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by pukabg

I was wondering if anyone had the time or was willing to put together a thread like the moonkin for dummies thread, for enhancement? The thread provides constantly updated basics for those trying to get into the class, and makes sorting through 30 pages of posts to find an answer easier. If not, no biggie but it would be a nice addition :-)

Shaman: Enhancement is about all the Enhancement information you'll ever need.

wraxx · 04/19/09, 2:39 PM

For a raiding elemental shaman, is the Hyperspeed Accelerators of more value than the spellpower to gloves enchant if used on every cooldown or if stacked during spellpower trinket buffs or heroisms?