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Old 04/24/09, 2:13 PM   #796
Reaviii
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
I'm new to Enh, and am wondering what my hit cap is, or my goal hit bonus is?

Assume my weapon skill is 400. (I'm assuming it matters)

So on my character screen next to Hit, I want that # to = ?
Same question for Expertise = ?

I'm assuming they're related.

EDIT:

Searching this thread, I found...

Horde Hit Cap = 368 (That's what I want my Hit Rating to be?)
Expertise = X/X on my character screen, then in tool tip: Rating = Y (+Z)

So for Expertise, what number(s) am I trying to get to = 140? Just Y, ignoring the (+Z number), is it factored into Y?

I assume the +Z is from talent?

Last edited by Reaviii : 04/24/09 at 2:28 PM.

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Old 04/24/09, 2:20 PM   #797
Nagisamuro
Piston Honda
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Cho'gall
Originally Posted by Reaviii View Post
I'm new to Enh, and am wondering what my hit cap is, or my goal hit bonus is?

Assume my weapon skill is 400. (I'm assuming it matters)

So on my character screen next to Hit, I want that # to = ?
Same question for Expertise = ?

I'm assuming they're related.
Those two numbers are so fundamentally important to your dps that Levva puts them right in his forum signature:
FAQ: Hit cap 342 Draenei, 368 Horde, Expertise rating cap 140 with 3/3 Unleashed Rage. Cap those before worrying about other stats.
Weapon skill should be maxed - if it ever isn't just go beat on something until it is.

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Old 04/24/09, 2:21 PM   #798
Reaviii
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
Edited previous post for more info.

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Old 04/24/09, 4:25 PM   #799
Zarnu
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Ysera
DPS for my elemental shaman underperform realtive to gear

For some reason my DPS is way way low fro may Elemental shaman. It averages 2900 dps on the test dummy and 2400in a raid... I have tried everything... Changing out Wrath Shock and lava glyphs, increaseing spell power on and on and for some reason I cant break that level.


My guild is saying people with the same gear or worse are close to 4000 dps... I have seen people do way better with worse gear... and I am sticking to the rotation hard core....

What Am i doing wrong....? I am following the FS/LB/CL?LB rotation very closely and never pausing to intiate a spell....

Stats:
Zarnu - Yesera

unbuffed Shaman Bufs included
Bonus Spell Dmg 1885 2523
Crit 25.91
Haste 371
Hit 345 or 272 depends on if with Spreist or Druid

HELP.. i am not sure what to do...

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Old 04/24/09, 5:07 PM   #800
Auramere
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Alleria
I have a question for you guys. I put it by mistake in the trinket thread. Any ideas why Splintering would give me such a marked improvement in dps over Stonebreaker or Dueling? I know one piece of gear shouldn't do that, but can the introduction of a different class in the raid do that either? example. Night one: Naxx 25. I came out of it in 4th place overall damage/dps. I was pushing around 3600. Night two: Basically same raid except we had a mage with us. I changed my totem from Dueling to Splintering and shot up to 4200 dps and no 1 on the meter overall. *I hit 7k on Thaddius weee!!!* Did that totem make that much of a difference? I am going to link my armory, but I'm in ele spec and gear atm. If you like I can repost this when my armory reflects my enhace spec and gear later.

Also, can enhancement dps vary that wildly night to night? Must be some messed up math then.

The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 04/24/09, 5:29 PM   #801
Quirk
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Shaman
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Zarnu View Post
HELP.. i am not sure what to do...
Drop Glyph of Lava for Glyph of Flame Shock (wasting GCD to refresh FlS every LvB is probably eating up your DPS... if you're even refreshing it)

Pick up the Storm, Earth & Fire talents (especially if you're using CL in your rotation)

Keep in mind that you will only need to Flame Shock every time the debuff is low or has just fallen off mid-cast. Never cast a Lava Burst without your Flame Shock DoT ticking. Cast Lava Burst EVERY time it comes off cooldown next-cast. Use proper consumables - spellpower or haste food, Flask of the Frost Wyrm, and tie Potion of Wild Magic or Potion of Speec in with your Elemental Mastery ability.

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Old 04/24/09, 10:51 PM   #802
Rouncer
Deeper Shade of Blue
 
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Orc Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Auramere View Post
I have a question for you guys. I put it by mistake in the trinket thread. Any ideas why Splintering would give me such a marked improvement in dps over Stonebreaker or Dueling? I know one piece of gear shouldn't do that, but can the introduction of a different class in the raid do that either? example. Night one: Naxx 25. I came out of it in 4th place overall damage/dps. I was pushing around 3600. Night two: Basically same raid except we had a mage with us. I changed my totem from Dueling to Splintering and shot up to 4200 dps and no 1 on the meter overall. *I hit 7k on Thaddius weee!!!* Did that totem make that much of a difference? I am going to link my armory, but I'm in ele spec and gear atm. If you like I can repost this when my armory reflects my enhace spec and gear later.

Also, can enhancement dps vary that wildly night to night? Must be some messed up math then.

The World of Warcraft Armory
Mage brought you 5% spell crit and AI which is additional AP you didn't have before. That is what is accounting for the difference, not the totems. The other thing to keep in mind is that we are all slaves to RNG and it is not uncommon to see variation in your dps from fight to fight. That is why we run the sim for thousands of hours, to attempt to limit the RNG factor and bring reproducibility to the results.

Sim out your personal stats and use that to determine which totem to use, more then likely the Sim will tell you to use Dueling but that is something you will have to detemine for yourself. For maximum accuracy make sure to only put into the Sim the raid buffs/debuffs that you will have for the encounter and also try to set the time to match what you are expecting. The more accurate the information incorporated into the sim, the more accurate the results will be to your specific situation.

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Old 04/24/09, 11:04 PM   #803
Soulflare
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Jubei'Thos
Originally Posted by Auramere View Post
I have a question for you guys. I put it by mistake in the trinket thread. Any ideas why Splintering would give me such a marked improvement in dps over Stonebreaker or Dueling? I know one piece of gear shouldn't do that, but can the introduction of a different class in the raid do that either? example. Night one: Naxx 25. I came out of it in 4th place overall damage/dps. I was pushing around 3600. Night two: Basically same raid except we had a mage with us. I changed my totem from Dueling to Splintering and shot up to 4200 dps and no 1 on the meter overall. *I hit 7k on Thaddius weee!!!* Did that totem make that much of a difference? I am going to link my armory, but I'm in ele spec and gear atm. If you like I can repost this when my armory reflects my enhace spec and gear later.

Also, can enhancement dps vary that wildly night to night? Must be some messed up math then.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Enhancement dps can vary due to the procs. In some fights if I get lucky with maelstrom stacks my dps will shoot up compared to other fights. But I do believe that just switching a totem will not give you that much of a difference in dps (3600 to 4200). It must be something else. There can be alot of other factors affecting your dps and its not like every single fight you can just stand in one place and do max dps.

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Old 04/27/09, 2:41 PM   #804
Trool
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Седогрив (EU)
Hola, amigos!
I've got a profession-related question. Im elemental and about to have Enchanting/JC.
Is it reasonable to roll Tailoring instead of Enchanting for Lightweave Embroidery? It's proc seems to be better than 38 sp from Enchanting. What do you think?

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Old 04/27/09, 10:08 PM   #805
Latas
Don Flamenco
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Uther
Hey guys, I'm not an elemental shammy but one of my friends is and i was looking for a baseline on where elemental shamans are dpswise as i have no clue where they are normally. I wouldn't ask here but he is our only elemental shaman and therefore I have no real comparison.

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Old 04/28/09, 10:02 PM   #806
Bartter2003
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Dark Iron
Why is my dps so low?

My guild and I were running Ulduar 25-man last night and after looking over the WWS I continued to find myself at the bottom or near bottom (one or two spots away) of the dps charts. I follow a simple rotation for Elemental Shamans...

Fs -> LvB -> LB -> LB -> LB/LvB and repeat. But when it comes to mobs I mix in CL.

I'm in full 25man Naxx gear and a few peices of 10/25man Ulduar. My SP is 1,739 unbuffed and my crit is 27% with haste at 491.

WoW Armory Alternative - Nameless Armory Profiles.

My question is what am I doing wrong? What can I change to make my DPS higher? Also should I use CL even during boss fights?

Thank you.

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Old 04/29/09, 3:56 AM   #807
CFF
Banned
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Stormscale (EU)
Hi there.

I managed to get my hands on the Thunderfall Totem when me my guild downed XT last week but I'm not really sure about whether it's better then the Totem of Hex or not?

Any thoughts on that?

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Old 04/29/09, 4:27 AM   #808
exschwizer
Von Kaiser
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Kult der Verdammten (EU)
Originally Posted by CFF View Post
Hi there.

I managed to get my hands on the Thunderfall Totem when me my guild downed XT last week but I'm not really sure about whether it's better then the Totem of Hex or not?

Any thoughts on that?
My thoughts on that? Use the search-function and/or just read the page before last before posting. Post #788 and #789 cover your question. (Hex > Thunderfall)

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Old 04/30/09, 3:05 AM   #809
paranoidkiwie
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Antonidas
I tried a search through all the class forums and haven't come up with any clean answers. For this card, Darkmoon Card: Death, I've seen a few posts trying to rank how good it might be post-3.1.0-buff, but many of those focused towards a death knight or other class. I've found a few posts of people asking about it, but no good napkin math on it. Rawr 2.2.1 for enhance shaman doesn't seem to model the proc, and I haven't figured out how to throw it into enhsim. My initial thoughts are that since crit strike isn't *that* strong of a stat and hit capping spells is so important, for my middlish geared shaman (naxx10 mostly with a few 25man), Mirror of Truth and Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood (+55 hit, on use +AP) would be a stronger combination of trinkets?

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Old 04/30/09, 7:06 AM   #810
guntski
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Eonar (EU)
I have a question about Elemental Shaman.

I raid Ulduar and occasionally we have another elemental shaman. Which brought up the question about dropping other fire totems.

Is Elemental Shamans DPS supposed to include the DPS from a searing or Magma totem, or is it based on the concept that we drop ToW?

By my basic calculations searing totem would grant:

105 average base damage.
16.67% coefficient per attack
2919 spell power (when raid buffed)
Total592 damage per shot

1.15 for call of flame
1.13 for Earth and moon/CoE/Ebon plague
1.03 from ret paly

592*1.13*1.15*1.03 = 792 damage per shot

Crit rate of about 45%, gives 792*2.09*0.45 + 792*(1-0.45)= 1180 average damage, per 2 seconds. = 590 DPS.

So is the DPS of elemental shaman supposed to incorporate this 590 DPS (e.g. we are 5% behind Mages including this 590 DPS), or is this additional to our normal DPS?

Couldn't find anything else about this so far on EJ. Sorry if I missed something.

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