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Old 06/10/09, 9:57 AM   #916
Ariik
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Draenei Shaman
 
Crushridge
CL should provide more damage when using it for more than 1 target; however, if you aren't intending to kill his left arm during the fight, it is wasted damage and using LB would provide more damage on the chest than CL will.

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Old 06/10/09, 12:00 PM   #917
Aeshun
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Hi guys,

We normally run two elemental shamans in our raids and I am concerned about one of them. The other one does reasonably well (I have heard that elemental shamans' DPS potential isn't extremely high so I'm quite comfortable with his spot on the meters) but the other one is barely beating our tank. On Auriaya last night our protadin did 2.6k DPS and this elemental shaman ended up at 2.9k.

Now, wow-heroes says that she's the second best geared DPS in our guild so I'm not quite sure what's going on here. She has 2010 spellpower, 28.24% crit, and 489 haste rating. She also seems to exclusively like haste, though I'm not sure how elemental shamans work so perhaps that is the right route. She also has the 4 set bonus for T8.

What sort of numbers should I be expecting from her?

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Old 06/10/09, 1:23 PM   #918
Zaythi
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Originally Posted by Aeshun View Post
Hi guys,

We normally run two elemental shamans in our raids and I am concerned about one of them. The other one does reasonably well (I have heard that elemental shamans' DPS potential isn't extremely high so I'm quite comfortable with his spot on the meters) but the other one is barely beating our tank. On Auriaya last night our protadin did 2.6k DPS and this elemental shaman ended up at 2.9k.

Now, wow-heroes says that she's the second best geared DPS in our guild so I'm not quite sure what's going on here. She has 2010 spellpower, 28.24% crit, and 489 haste rating. She also seems to exclusively like haste, though I'm not sure how elemental shamans work so perhaps that is the right route. She also has the 4 set bonus for T8.

What sort of numbers should I be expecting from her?

Well, it's really hard to say without knowing the gear level, spec, glyphs, etc of the character. I tried to armory you as a reference to see what gear levels you are at, but your armory like doesn't work (ie. Fix It!!!). Judging from what I assume is you and your guild on the armory, the DPS should be much better than that. It would be hard to say what the problem is without more information, but judging from the info you gave, I'm going to take a rough estimate of approx 5k DPS for most 4-6m fights (assuming you have the proper buffs available for the shaman - Hit, Haste, Spell Damage, etc).

As far as her liking, or gearing towards haste, it might not be a bad thing. I don't know how she is gemmed, but if she is just going for haste on gear, it seems about right. As a general rule SP > Haste > Crit (assuming hit capped). So if you are just referring to a few specific items, like Razorscale weapon, KT weapon, etc that have high haste and SP on them, then yes, that is how to approx gear. Hope this helps (as it is about the best I can do without going into who it is specifically, which I assumed you didn't link/tell due to not wanting them to be called out.

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Old 06/10/09, 2:43 PM   #919
Ryethe
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Sargeras
Originally Posted by Toonami View Post
Hi EJ ! I have a simple question - how many targets should CL hit to do more damage then LB on single target for enha spec ? Was it 2 or 3 targets ? For example on Kologarn when right arm dies and i have to switch on chest, would CL give more dps in this situation cause it will hit chest+left arm ?
Hopefully you find this data useful:
Lightning Bolt SP Coefficient: 71.43%
Chain Lightning SP Coefficient: 125% (57% + 40% + 28% on each "jump", respectively)

So basically, 2 jumps is sufficient to produce more damage.

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Old 06/10/09, 3:48 PM   #920
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Originally Posted by Nokturnis View Post
Hey guys, with the new gear bonus's from t8 and 8.5 is the enh shammy rotation the same? Does SS now take priority over LB with only the piece set bonus? and with the 4 is back to what the think tank says?

Plus while im at it, the Think Tank seems to be outdated on glyphs too, and i was wondering, what are optimal glyphs for enh shammys at this point in the game? I run with Feral Spirit, SS and LS. I think i can be doing more damage but im not sure. Thanks EJ
Rotation should be the same no matter your set bonuses.

Feral Spirit, SS, and WF are considered the best. You have to run the EnhSim to get more concrete results.

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Old 06/10/09, 6:26 PM   #921
Rouncer
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by frmorrison View Post
Rotation should be the same no matter your set bonuses.
We have a rotation?

It's all about priorities. LB/CL when MW4/5 is up > ES when SS debuff is active > SS > ES when SS debuff is not active > LL

Magma Totem refreshing fits in there somewhere and if you have a free GCD make sure to refresh LS. If you are really lazy then just make a castrandom macro and bind it to a bunch of keys and roll your face on the keyboard until whatever you are beating on is dead.


(seriously though, we have a really nice Sim go check it out and it should be easy to figure out if the priorities change due to a set bonus or not)

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Old 06/11/09, 10:16 AM   #922
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Wraith Strike MH and WF imbue

I was talking with another enhance shaman friend of mine, and he was speculating that since I was using Wraith Strike on MH (my only other option at this moment is 'Greed') that perhaps FT/FT imbues would be better for me than WF/FT.

I know they made some changes to FT recently and now i'm not as certain as I was before about which imbues are best. Do any of you have any opinions on the matter. I know you'll probably just say to sim it and whatnot, but im just looking for a simple general answer - mostly because if you say no, WF/FT is still better then i won't bother worrying about it anymore, but if you say you think FT/FT is better perhaps i'll sim my personal stats and tweak it to my liking.

a second question would be, if FT/FT IS indeed a better option, I should then switch out my WF glyph for LS or FT, yes?
(currently i'm running with Feral Spirits, WF, SS)


thanks!

Last edited by Serif : 06/11/09 at 10:28 AM.

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Old 06/11/09, 11:17 AM   #923
Tatonk
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Tauren Shaman
 
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I use Wraith Strike in my main hand and have run EnhSim to test WF/FT vs FT/ FT. I don't remember the exact numbers, but WF/FT still wins by a considerable margin, even with the lower DPS of Wraith Strike.

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Old 06/11/09, 12:02 PM   #924
Dorrinal
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Originally Posted by Bayushi-ko View Post
EventHorizon might be a good mod for some people, but I hated it. It's almost completely UN-customizable, has no color, and displayed info I had no need for. Like you, I needed FS dot tracking and LB cooldown tracking, with bars and an accurate timer. NeedtoKnow had a nasty habit of tracking everyone else's FS (with another ele in raid, that made it unreliable at best) and TellMeWhen was clunky for cooldown tracking and doesn't have a bar type interface.

Check out ButtonTimers. Its not perfect, but it has a bar system with a timer built in and hasn't had any issues with multiple FS dots on the same target. Also, since it utilizes Blizzard bars, it will swap spells if you change specs, say to resto. The mod setup doesn't change, so I have two unused buttons, but it does great tracking my Riptide cooldown as well.
In this same vein I use ForteXorcist to track my Living Bomb and Improved Scorch debuffs. I am sure it will be an adequate add-on for watching Flame Shock and Riptide durations.

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Old 06/12/09, 1:10 AM   #925
aondail
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i know this has prolly already been asked but i cant seem to find it readily. But at what point (if at all) does armor pen because useful/not useful for an enhance shaman

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Old 06/12/09, 1:22 AM   #926
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Originally Posted by aondail View Post
i know this has prolly already been asked but i cant seem to find it readily. But at what point (if at all) does armor pen because useful/not useful for an enhance shaman
Armor penetration is "always" a useful stat it just isn't rated as highly as other stats. Think about how much of your damage is magical and you'll understand why it isn't rated as highly as crit, haste etc.

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Old 06/15/09, 2:13 AM   #927
Pashaman
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What's the best way to compare EnhSim numbers with in-game numbers?

I would like to create a testing environment in which comparing EnhSim numbers to in-game numbers makes most sense. I could of course model the training dummy (no buffs and limited rotation) but I feel that's of limited interest since the raid buffs dramatically affect my stats (spell hit cap, to name just one).

Ideally the answer would be "fight X from Ulduar" - but I'm not sure it's that simple.

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Old 06/15/09, 4:09 AM   #928
Conq[SUN]
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I have a quick question. I have been raiding as Resto and Elemental so far, but thought I would try out Enhancement as I have gotten quite a few "Rogue-Loot"-drops i Naxx10. We have no rogues in our raids, so I usually get those leather drops by default.
So I downloaded, installed and tried some tests of EnhSim. My results are not unlike what I expected, with numbers of agility ~1.8, crit ~2.1, haste ~1.3, int ~1.3, sp ~1.1 and weapon dps ~5. This all seems ok but ploting it into lootrank gives some unexpected results. Mainly a lot of my Elemental gear tops anything I can get outside Naxx10. And specifically it seems my good old [Titansteel Guardian] beats both [Titansteel Bonecrusher] and [Ironforge Smasher].

This means I can save a lot of gold, but I am wondering if I can trust this or should I still get an ordinary mellee weapon with high dps and no spellpower?

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Old 06/15/09, 10:27 AM   #929
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Originally Posted by Conq[SUN] View Post
This means I can save a lot of gold, but I am wondering if I can trust this or should I still get an ordinary mellee weapon with high dps and no spellpower?
Your Titansteel Guardian looks like a fine weapon. Approximately half of enhancement damage is magic damage, scaling off of spell power. Our primary source of spell power is Mental Quickness, but spell power on gear can also be valuable. Before 3.1 patch, some people simmed [Wraith Strike] and [Calamity's Grasp] effectively tied for best in slot.

One caution regarding your lootrank findings though -- the Ironforge Smasher is 2.6 speed while Titansteel Guardian is 2.5 speed. A slower weapon is better, and this difference is hard to simplify to a lootrank value for weapon speed. You can switch these weapons in Rawr and export the stats to enhsim for a better comparison.

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Old 06/16/09, 4:48 AM   #930
Conq[SUN]
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Originally Posted by Jessamy View Post
One caution regarding your lootrank findings though -- the Ironforge Smasher is 2.6 speed while Titansteel Guardian is 2.5 speed. A slower weapon is better, and this difference is hard to simplify to a lootrank value for weapon speed. You can switch these weapons in Rawr and export the stats to enhsim for a better comparison.
Thanks for the reply. I am currently grinding dailies for the Ironforge Smasher, mainly because of the stats. Is 0.1 speed enough to really make a diffenrece? I plan on using it, but didn't think the speed mattered much, when it was only a 0.1 difference.

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