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Old 06/24/09, 2:59 AM   #946
ksb1082
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Tauren Shaman
 
Zangarmarsh
I was curious since I also play as a Warlock in an Elemental casting rotation do I need to worry about clipping the flameshock dot? Or is the dps difference/loss irrelevant?

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Old 06/24/09, 4:08 AM   #947
berdan
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Shadowsong (EU)
Originally Posted by ksb1082 View Post
I was curious since I also play as a Warlock in an Elemental casting rotation do I need to worry about clipping the flameshock dot? Or is the dps difference/loss irrelevant?
Clipping is ok to make sure you don't miss a LvB CD or, even worse, let LvB land without FS up.


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Old 06/24/09, 10:41 AM   #948
Zorick
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Thunderlord
Originally Posted by Ryethe View Post
I'm curious what sort of effect elemental shamans have seen on their crit EP values with the 2pc T8 bonus. Just looking for a ballpark figure here.
The Wiki has it listed as ~125 DPS.

http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t20914-s...lemental/#Sets

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Old 06/26/09, 8:48 AM   #949
Jezele
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Draenei Shaman
 
Scarlet Crusade
Enhancement 4t7

How much is the 4t7 enhancement bonus worth in terms of DPS? I rarely play enhancement, but since I'm usually the only shaman in the raid, I occasionally have the opportunity to pick up various pieces of gear and wondered whether they would be worth breaking up the set bonus for.

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Old 06/28/09, 11:43 PM   #950
Noobsilencer
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Troll Shaman
 
Bonechewer
I was wondering if having+20 spell pen gem for a blue gem needed for meta's like chaotic skyflare diamond would benefit enhance shaman's for their shock spells and LB would work. And also wondering if the WF and LL procs were physical or magic damage cause LL is fire damage

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Old 06/29/09, 6:01 AM   #951
Conq[SUN]
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Tauren Druid
 
Ravencrest (EU)
I finally got a weapon I like for Enhancement. Got [Crimson Steel] same day as I had enough tokens for the tournament hammer. So now I tried a couple of raids as enhancement shaman.
I'm doing considerable less damage(~15%) as enhancement compared to elemental with similar levels of gear at my level of equipment, which makes me wonder if I just plain suck at enhancement. Enhancement seems a bit harder to play than elemental, but I was wondering if maybe elemental is better dps at lower levels, while enhancement takes over at higer. Does anyone have an answer to this?

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Old 06/29/09, 8:20 AM   #952
Kissmyaxe
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Silvermoon (EU)
You're still wearing some pieces from your elemental set so you should try to have the gear on similar levels before comparing.
Overall though it seams enhancement shamans beat elementals on most of the fights in Ulduar. (One notable exception is Vezax).
Since both shamand DPS specs are viable and bring invaluable raid buffs, you should definitely play the spec you feel more comfortable with and try to min/max your gear/spec/rotations.

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Old 06/29/09, 9:56 AM   #953
Conq[SUN]
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Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Kissmyaxe View Post
You're still wearing some pieces from your elemental set so you should try to have the gear on similar levels before comparing.
Overall though it seams enhancement shamans beat elementals on most of the fights in Ulduar. (One notable exception is Vezax).
Since both shamand DPS specs are viable and bring invaluable raid buffs, you should definitely play the spec you feel more comfortable with and try to min/max your gear/spec/rotations.
Since spellpower has such a high value according to EnhSim and crit/hit/haste are hybrids, those elemental pieces are better or equal to anything I can get before Naxx25. My elemtal set is about the same level and according to the spreadsheets should give the same dps. I am thinking that it is probably just me having a hard time keeping track of multible cooldowns. Enhancement just seems harder to play and don't want to spend anymore time practising it, if elemental beats it further down the road anyway.

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Old 06/29/09, 9:58 AM   #954
Eric
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Sargeras
If I'm planning to level a shaman, would it be better to buy a Bloodied Arcanite Reaper for 1-80 or a Balanced Heartseeker and then another Balanced Heartseeker at 40?

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Old 06/29/09, 10:19 AM   #955
Kyro
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Eric View Post
If I'm planning to level a shaman, would it be better to buy a Bloodied Arcanite Reaper for 1-80 or a Balanced Heartseeker and then another Balanced Heartseeker at 40?
I'm assuming your question is about enhancement.

The answer to this is found in the TTT article, you should definitely look that over.

But I'm bored, so I'll answer your question anyway. Shamans are not built for 2H DPS. Their talents and skills are built around DW. In other words, don't get the Arcanite Reaper.

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Old 06/29/09, 2:25 PM   #956
Rouncer
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Kyro View Post

But I'm bored, so I'll answer your question anyway. Shamans are not built for 2H DPS. Their talents and skills are built around DW. In other words, don't get the Arcanite Reaper.

We are also not built around fast weapons so the balanced heartseeker is crap for enhancement as well.

There are no good options for BoAs at the moment for enhancement past level 40. The reaper would work great till that point but once you get Dual Wield it loses appeal rapidly. Something like the Aurastone would be great once you get 5/5 elemental fury and switch from WF/WF to WF/FT but that won't be till you are in your 70s anyway so it is also pretty useless.

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Old 06/29/09, 3:50 PM   #957
Isntprepared
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Worgen Rogue
 
Nesingwary
I'm having some problems getting a proper methodology for simming upgrades using either Rawr or EnhSim, mostly because of the fact that what items / gems are best will change depending on what buffs you have. We don't really have a constant / consistent raid makeup, and so I am having issues making a good baseline set of buffs I will "always" have.

What do you guys suggest to get around this?

Consistency could say to just turn on every buff and compare from there, or assume no buffs other than totems, and compare from there. However, that might not get me reasonable results as to what I should gem for.

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Separate question: Using Rawr Enhance v2.2.7.19935, Optimizer suggested replacing a lot of my AP gems with haste gems, along with swapping out a few pieces of gear -- I'm in that painful stage where I'm getting Uld 10 man gear that is a slight upgrade / side-grade but it's not worth it yet to break the T7.5 set. It simmed out as an increase in DPS, but I'm wondering if there is still any bias towards haste since the Levva coded the fix to 2.2.7's erroneous love affair with haste. Haste EP is still below 2 for me, whereas Crit is above 2 -- yet optimizer still suggested haste gems. I'll be trying a run or 2 with it's suggested setup to see how real world results fare.

I can provide the .xml file for Rawr if it helps narrow down any possible issues, but will have to wait for me to get home.

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Old 06/29/09, 7:52 PM   #958
Imadraenei
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Stormscale
Originally Posted by Isntprepared View Post
I'm having some problems getting a proper methodology for simming upgrades using either Rawr or EnhSim, mostly because of the fact that what items / gems are best will change depending on what buffs you have. We don't really have a constant / consistent raid makeup, and so I am having issues making a good baseline set of buffs I will "always" have.

What do you guys suggest to get around this?

Consistency could say to just turn on every buff and compare from there, or assume no buffs other than totems, and compare from there. However, that might not get me reasonable results as to what I should gem for.
I personally compare results between all buffs and self-buffs. Going on self-only for 10-mans works simply because you will always have them; you can pretty much ensure that no matter what 10-man group you run with, your potential DPS will simply be higher than what you sim, if possibly slightly less optimal. It's a matter of logistics.

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Old 06/29/09, 8:37 PM   #959
ShuSham
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Draenei Shaman
 
Aerie Peak
Hi there.
I've been wondering if something's wrong with my dps since about 30% of my damage comes from normal melee atacks.Is it normal to have such a big chunk of damage coming form this source?If i'm wrong, what i have to do to fix my gameplay?

Here's my dps on a 25 man sarth, just to calrify my issue.
Recount - Shusham's Hostile Attacks
1. Melee 159 180749 (35%)
2. Windfury Attack 30 79010 (15%)
3. Lightning Bolt 15 70728 (14%)
4. Earth Shock 16 55212 (11%)
5. Flametongue Attack 92 51096 (10%)
6. Stormstrike 24 32817 (6%)
7. Lightning Shield 17 28019 (5%)
8. Lava Lash 11 15989 (3%)

thanks for your time and sorry for my bad english.

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Old 06/30/09, 8:08 AM   #960
Rouncer
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Orc Shaman
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by ShuSham View Post
Hi there.
I've been wondering if something's wrong with my dps since about 30% of my damage comes from normal melee atacks.Is it normal to have such a big chunk of damage coming form this source?If i'm wrong, what i have to do to fix my gameplay?

Here's my dps on a 25 man sarth, just to calrify my issue.
Recount - Shusham's Hostile Attacks
1. Melee 159 180749 (35%)
2. Windfury Attack 30 79010 (15%)
3. Lightning Bolt 15 70728 (14%)
4. Earth Shock 16 55212 (11%)
5. Flametongue Attack 92 51096 (10%)
6. Stormstrike 24 32817 (6%)
7. Lightning Shield 17 28019 (5%)
8. Lava Lash 11 15989 (3%)

thanks for your time and sorry for my bad english.
Normal breakdown except you aren't using Magma Totem and Magma Totem is a significant source of damage especially on Sarth with all the adds.

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