While it might be a Dps increase, FT/FT is a damage loss. as well; Blizzard really isn't in favor of dual imbues on our weapons. The main issue isn't that FT is gaining from AP, as much as it is from mastery. There is a pretty sizable debate going on about whether or not FT/FT Caster MH/ Melee OH is either out doing Melee MH/OH, and whether or not it will be superior in future raid tiers. Blizzard has stated they don't want that to happen. Currently it is too early to tell, since the beta is either closing or has closed, and the sims out there haven't really been as accurate as those used on live, since the beta was still plagued by unseen or untested bugs that are always not seen until sometime after it hits live.

Hold off on saying FT/FT is a damage loss until people actually prove it one way or the other. We think that at 85 it will be equal to WF/FT or slightly inferior when running with a caster mainhand in tier 11 gear but that is also including Unleash Elements. Without UE and with our level 80 amounts of mastery, I really wouldn't be that surprised to see a caster mainhand running FT/FT outperform WF/FT with equal ilevel agility weapons. Even with UE no one is sure which will end up being the best options for tier 12 gear levels and up or if a specific set of tier 11 stuff running a caster mainhand will end up beating all other available options.

At this point I just hope they do something to make it more clear that we are supposed to run WF/FT with agility weapons. GC saying that they prefer us that way is nice and all but that and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. Guessing there will be a patch with the launch in 2 weeks and hopefully that will have something for us then that will remove caster MHs and FT/FT from serious consideration.

My question was mostly regarding level 80 using a "normal" setup and no caster MH since I've only found discussions about 85 while at level 80 you're missing one big advantage of WF, the UE haste proc.

Thanks for your answers anyway; I guess there simply hasn't been any greater theorycrafting for the remaining two weeks before cataclysm.

With a normal setup you would lose a lot of FT procs to the ICD making it unlikely to outperform WF/FT without conscious effort to avoid letting your weapon's swings sync up. Really doubt it would be worth the trouble since WF also provides a significant increase in the number of MW procs.

I have done many tests on dummies and in raids, if anything wf/wf and wf/ft always out perform any other setup I have tried to include the reverse and as well as using fb in the mix. Ft/ft usually gives higher dps, but the damage overall is always out done by either wf/ft or wf/wf; even wf/fb has higher numbers. You can test it for your self if you would like, since I currently don't have any numbers to back up my personal tests.

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