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Old 04/25/09, 11:06 PM   #1
Soulflare
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[Enhancement] Ulduar Loot List

The items are not listed in any order at this time. Also keep in mind some older items (released before 3.1) are better than some items on this list. Some drop locations may be incorrect or missing (? for unknown). I will update the list when I have more information.

Weapons

[Golden Saronite Dragon] - Flame Leviathan (25-Hard). Could be BiS MH.
[Insanity's Grip] - Mimiron (25).
[The Masticator] - Iron Council (10-Hard).

[Vulmir, the Northern Tempest] - Thorim (25). Could be BiS OH.
[Touch of Madness] - Yogg-Saron (10).

The World of Warcraft Armory - Yogg-Saron (10-Hard).

Head

[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Faceguard] - Thorim (25) or 58 Emblem of Conquest.
[Valorous Worldbreaker Faceguard] - ?
[Helm of the Furnace Master] - Ignis (25).
[Circlet of True Sight] - Iron Council (10).

Shoulder

[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Shoulderguards] - Yogg-Saron (25).
[Valorous Worldbreaker Shoulderguards] - Thorim? (10).
[Iron-studded Mantle] - Iron Council (25).
[Mantle of Fiery Vengeance] - Flame Leviathan (10-Hard).
[Shoulders of Misfortune] - Trash Mobs (25).
[Ironaya's Discarded Mantle] - Auriaya (10).

Chest

[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Chestguard] - Hodir (25) or 58 Emblem of Conquest.
[Valorous Worldbreaker Chestguard] - ?
[Chestguard of Insidious Intent] - Yogg-Saron (25).
[Chestguard of the Lasher] - Freya (10).

Waist

[Belt of the Betrayed] - Thorim (25).
[Belt of the Blood Pit] - Thorim (10).
[Belt of Dragons] - Leatherworking BoE.
[Belt of the Ardent Marksman] - 28 Emblem of Conquest.

[Soul-Devouring Cinch] - ?

Legs

[Conqueror's Worldbreaker War-Kilt] - Freya (25) or Emalon (25).
[Valorous Worldbreaker War-Kilt] - Hodir (10).
[Darkcore Leggings] - General Vezax (25).
[Leggings of the Tireless Sentry] - 39 Emblem of Conquest.
[Saronite Mesh Legguards] - Razorscale (25).
[Leggings of the Insatiable] - Yogg-Saron (10).

Feet

[Boots of Living Scale] - Leatherworking BoE.
[Brass-lined Boots] - XT-002 (25).
[Boots of Unsettled Prey] - Trash Mobs (10).

Wrist

[Frost-bound Chain Bracers] - Hodir (25).
[Bracers of the Smothering Inferno] - Razorscale (10).

Hands

[Conqueror's Worldbreaker Grips] - Mimiron (25) or Emalon (25).
[Valorous Worldbreaker Grips] - Freya (10) or Emalon (10).
[Gloves of the Fiery Behemoth] - Flame Leviathan (25).
[Gloves of Unerring Aim] - 25 Emblem of Conquest.
[Gloves of Taut Grip] - XT-002 (10).

Back

[Drape of Icy Intent] - Hodir (25-Hard?).
[Drape of the Faceless General] - General Vezax (10-Hard).
[Drape of the Lithe] - Iron Council (25).
[Shawl of the Shattered Giant] - Kologarn (10).
[Winter's Frigid Embrace] - Hodir (10).

Neck

[Broach of the Wailing Night] - 19 Emblem of Conquest.
[Nymph Heart Charm] - Freya (25).
[Choker of the Abyss] - General Vezax (10).

Ring

[Cindershard Ring] - Ignis (25).
[Godbane Signet] - Yogg-Saron (25).
[Loop of the Agile] - Iron Council (10-Hard).
[Metallic Loop of the Sufferer] - General Vezax (25).
[Band of Draconic Guile] - Razorscale (10).

Trinket

[Blood of the Old God] - Yogg-Saron (25).
[Mjolnir Runestone] - Thorim (10-Hard).
[Vanquished Clutches of Yogg-Saron] - Yogg-Saron (25).
[Wrathstone] - Kologarn (25).
[Pyrite Infuser] - Flame Leviathan (10).

Totem

[Totem of the Dancing Flame] - Ignis (25).

Last edited by Soulflare : 04/28/09 at 7:21 AM.

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Old 04/26/09, 1:49 AM   #2
skiierx131
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Originally Posted by Soulflare View Post
The World of Warcraft Armory - Not sure where this is from. Might be from a 10 man hard mode.
Oooo that's new. But you are correct it would be a 10 man hard mode since it's only ilvl 226. Maybe yogg no keeper >_>

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Old 04/26/09, 5:55 AM   #3
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I would add [Soul-Devouring Cinch]
I know it's leather but according to my sim-ep it's the BiS for us.

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Old 04/26/09, 9:39 AM   #4
Karmaru
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One question, the One-handed axe doesn't seem to be labeled "unique" leading me to believe they could be dual equiped. Would that be possible?

For potential expertise purposes, would be curious as to how far one could push their AP with the Racial(+5 to axes).

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Old 04/26/09, 10:51 AM   #5
crohnoes
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The problem is that you can't just take all these BiS items and equip them. The simulator is ranking everything with expertise and hit as BiS, big surprise. Trade-offs have to be made, and it seems that in most cases that the second, third, and fourth BiS items are what will be equipped, It's so hard to find competitive gear without hit.

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Old 04/26/09, 11:18 AM   #6
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Maybe we could start a BiS equip Thread, like the one in the hunter forums, where we sim out the best possible DPS, even if I'm pretty sure it will be a combination of the above items.

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Old 04/26/09, 6:05 PM   #7
rhodin
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You should post BIS gear setups with enhsim data on the top, ill get to work simming some stuff.

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Old 04/27/09, 10:20 AM   #8
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if you gear up with uncapped EP, you'll be wearing too much expertise. And if you gear up with capped EP, you won't be capped.

What we need is the "most effective way to get your hit and expertise" list. Should only be about 4 or 5 pieces, and once you've removed these two potent stats from the roster, BiS will follow.

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Old 04/27/09, 10:36 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Toots Hepcat View Post
if you gear up with uncapped EP, you'll be wearing too much expertise. And if you gear up with capped EP, you won't be capped.

What we need is the "most effective way to get your hit and expertise" list. Should only be about 4 or 5 pieces, and once you've removed these two potent stats from the roster, BiS will follow.
As long as it's possible to gem up to the caps, the EP will effectively be capped at the EP of the best-stat-that-have-no-cap. This would mean hit and expertise would usually be capped at 2. If you generate a BiS list with those EP values, will it be possible to use that set and gem to capped hit and expertise? If yes, it's the BiS list. If no, we have to find what items are the most effective ways to get it. One way to do so would be to raise the EP value of the uncapped stat slightly (to 2.1 maybe) and generate a new list. When the list has changed enough to enable us to reach the caps, it's probably the BiS list.

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Old 04/27/09, 10:37 AM   #10
Mman
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The World of Warcraft Armory
This looks like the best neck I have seen.

edit: Here is a list of items for enhancement shaman above iLevel 213 with no Hit/Expertise on them (not including trinkets).
Armor - Items - World of Warcraft

There are only 27 items on the list (there are 32 if you only include items with expertise). Obviously you will have to determine if those slots could be better filled with an item with expertise/hit on them, but there are suprisingly few options. Most notable are [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Faceguard] and[Belt of Dragons] which seem perfectly itemized.

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Old 04/27/09, 11:50 AM   #11
Staticus
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Loop of the Agile is from Iron Council 10 (hard)
Caress of Insanity is from Yogg-Saron 10 (hard)
Chestguard of Insidious Intent is from Yogg-Saron 25
Leggings of the Insatiable is from Yogg-Saron 10

Originally Posted by Karmaru View Post
One question, the One-handed axe doesn't seem to be labeled "unique" leading me to believe they could be dual equiped. Would that be possible?

For potential expertise purposes, would be curious as to how far one could push their AP with the Racial(+5 to axes).
The Northern Tempest is also not unique. However the axe is quite weak against the other OH options, even if you add the 41 expertise rating from the racial it's unlikely to win.

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Old 04/27/09, 12:18 PM   #12
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theres another slow 1h mace apparently off 10 man yoggy hardmode

Caress of Insanity


not on wowhead yet, but the armory shows it (probably where mmo dug it up)

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Old 04/27/09, 12:36 PM   #13
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Interestingly enough, for horde at least, you can end up at <1 hit rating over the spell hit cap without any gems. 367-40(GSD)-37(Vulmir)-66(T8BP)-60(T8Legs)-50(Gloves of the Steady Hand)-42(Greaves of Swift Vengeance)-33(Frostbound Chain Bracers)-40(Drape of Icy Intent)=-1

That setup seems like it'll be best for horde and alliance until another 239 offpiece pops up that's missing a bunch of hit that alliance can swoop in on.

It gets kind of fuzzy for expertise. You're gaining 29 from Vulmir and 34 from the T8 shoulders leaving you with 77 to cover from either the Yogg ring(36)+a few gems, Yogg hardmode 10 man belt(56)+a few gems, or even Mark of Norgannon +a half gem. The ring requires 41 rating which is either an expertise JC gem + a pure to sit at +2 or 2 pures and a half of an expertise gem to sit at -1(or -.3? would be interesting to see the impact of that little expertise). The belt would require 11 rating which would be either 3 down or 5 over the cap with a pure expertise gem.

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Old 04/27/09, 2:21 PM   #14
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Are these threads really necessary?
We spend loads of time and effort developing sims to get stat weightings, so why not just plug those stats into Lootrank and get your own personalised BiS list?

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Old 04/27/09, 2:52 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Jheherrin View Post
Are these threads really necessary?
We spend loads of time and effort developing sims to get stat weightings, so why not just plug those stats into Lootrank and get your own personalised BiS list?
EnhSim EP values plus LootRank can tell you what single pieces are upgrades relative to your current gear. But if you can upgrade many pieces, it can't tell you the highest DPS combination of items for a couple of reasons: (1) it doesn't know about hit/expertise caps; (2) it doesn't know about set bonuses; and (3) EP values can change dramatically with other stat changes. You can't just take the highest EP value pieces and slot them all in. Nor can you just pick gear that gets you as close as possible to hit and expertise cap. You have to actually sim out different combos.

So it might be useful to know a best possible set to build towards, using the sim to verify what combination is the highest DPS.

However, the optimal set of gear may also be affected by professions and race. So it might not even be possible to make a single list. Also, making lists like this seems to make people mindlessly collect the supposedly best-in-slot set instead of using simulation tools. That's unfortunate, because your best combination of gear you actually have may not involve wearing the maximum number of best-in-slot pieces.

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Old 04/28/09, 12:26 AM   #16
micfiygd
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If someone wants to do the work

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Old 04/28/09, 6:59 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by micfiygd View Post
If someone wants to do the work
As soon as all hard mode loot is available on chardev.org I will do the work, but without vital items like [Golden Saronite Dragon] it's quite impossible to determine the BiS-items without calculating everything manually.

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Old 04/28/09, 9:17 AM   #18
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It's very difficult to establish the BiS gear for every profession combo and race set, however some good pointers to keep in mind if your trying to work it out.

1. First establish which 4 pieces of your Tier 8 you are going to use.
2. It's always better to try and reach caps with gems rather than enchants.
3. You can easily reach the Hit/Exp caps with your 4pc and gems so try setting Hit/Exp to 0 EP ratings.

I would assume that Vulmir and Golden Saronite will be BiS weapons, however I'm not 100% sure on the BiS trinkets.
If Blood of the Old God is going to end up being BiS the Hit cap will be easily aquirable through gear alone.

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Old 04/28/09, 9:30 AM   #19
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Playing around with Enhsim 1.7.0 the other day, using current gear and stats, I determined the 4-piece T8 bonus to be worth around 100 dps. Obviously it's something we're all going to want.

However, so far I'm not seeing any off-set pieces that are good enough to pick up in place of our fifth Tier piece. The helm from Ignis does not score higher than the Tier helm using my own EP values in Pawn. The chest from Yogg has ArP on it. There are a few options in the leg slot, but again none of those score higher than the Tier legs for me. The legs from General in particular are better suited to a SrV Hunter given the massive Agility. Glove options are laughable.

Unless there is some sexy hard-mode loot we haven't see yet, I think the only possible off-set slot may be the trash shoulders. Those scored very close to the Tier shoulders for me, but if you can get Expertise capped elsewhere the trash shoulders will win easily.

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Old 04/28/09, 10:15 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by zomghax View Post
Playing around with Enhsim 1.7.0 the other day, using current gear and stats, I determined the 4-piece T8 bonus to be worth around 100 dps. Obviously it's something we're all going to want.

However, so far I'm not seeing any off-set pieces that are good enough to pick up in place of our fifth Tier piece. The helm from Ignis does not score higher than the Tier helm using my own EP values in Pawn. The chest from Yogg has ArP on it. There are a few options in the leg slot, but again none of those score higher than the Tier legs for me. The legs from General in particular are better suited to a SrV Hunter given the massive Agility. Glove options are laughable.

Unless there is some sexy hard-mode loot we haven't see yet, I think the only possible off-set slot may be the trash shoulders. Those scored very close to the Tier shoulders for me, but if you can get Expertise capped elsewhere the trash shoulders will win easily.
yeah, it's kinda sad.

But on the positive side: Most of "our" new weapons have expertise on them around 25. Which is a nice source.

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Old 04/28/09, 11:11 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by ksubi View Post
3. You can easily reach the Hit/Exp caps with your 4pc and gems so try setting Hit/Exp to 0 EP ratings.
That's going to yield some fairly inaccurate results since Hit Rating still has decent value beyond the the spell hit cap point.

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Old 04/28/09, 11:40 AM   #22
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Hit is better then decent, I'm showing it as worth just as much as Agility past the spell hit cap.

If you want to devalue exp then take it down to 2EP since if you are using a expertise gem that is what you would get swapping that gem into an AP gem instead.

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Old 04/28/09, 12:03 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by zomghax View Post
Playing around with Enhsim 1.7.0 the other day, using current gear and stats, I determined the 4-piece T8 bonus to be worth around 100 dps. Obviously it's something we're all going to want.

However, so far I'm not seeing any off-set pieces that are good enough to pick up in place of our fifth Tier piece. The helm from Ignis does not score higher than the Tier helm using my own EP values in Pawn. The chest from Yogg has ArP on it. There are a few options in the leg slot, but again none of those score higher than the Tier legs for me. The legs from General in particular are better suited to a SrV Hunter given the massive Agility. Glove options are laughable.

Unless there is some sexy hard-mode loot we haven't see yet, I think the only possible off-set slot may be the trash shoulders. Those scored very close to the Tier shoulders for me, but if you can get Expertise capped elsewhere the trash shoulders will win easily.
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/..._26_9806_4.jpg

I'm assuming that you missed those.

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Old 04/28/09, 12:15 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by rava View Post
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/..._26_9806_4.jpg

I'm assuming that you missed those.
I sure did. Good thing I qualified the third paragraph with the "sexy hard mode loot" statement.

25-man XT hard mode, apparently?

For now it looks as though any BiS off-set pieces will likely be hard-mode only. Since it will take awhile for all of them to become known, the best strategy is to probably work on acquiring all 5 Tier pieces and see how it plays out.

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Old 04/28/09, 7:46 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by Rouncer View Post
Hit is better then decent, I'm showing it as worth just as much as Agility past the spell hit cap.
In fact on mine it's showing as being roughly equal to crit and haste atm. And the two hit trinkets (FL 10 and Yogg 25) are showing as best in slot, even with spellcapped hit rating.

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