Where are you getting a value of 111 for the sp portion from?

590 SP on proc, 45 sec ICD, 25% proc chance.

Could you show what numbers you used to do the math, because for me I'm finding it to be closer to the 116-118 sp equivalent range.

590*10/50 (adding 5 seconds to allow for time to get next proc after CD expires) = 118
Haste = 84

Assuming Haste:SP is 1:1 then you get 202 from the Rune vs 200 from Dragon Soul. If you want to see what the break even ratio is, 82/84 = 0.976, so Haste:SP will need to be 0.976:1 or greater for Rune to be better.

Lets say we use your numbers. 116 SP + 84 haste is 200 total "stat". Even if we work with 118 ave. SP, that's only 202 combined. SP is better than haste. SP will always be better. We don't have enough SP available on gear for haste to overtake it, and by the time we do, haste will be devalued because that level of gear will likely put us at a 1 sec GCD. So, even with 118 SP average, the fact that 84 of its stats are made up of haste rating rather than SP makes up for the 2 extra "stats" you get from abyssal rune. Once again, haste is only made worse with latency factored in.

I was just wondering where you came up with your numbers from and how. I still am somewhat, but shrug whatever then.

Well giving it unrealistic settings will for sure invalidate your results since it tries to optimize for these.

I was mostly just messing around with realistic glyph combinations. I posted about this some time ago. Obviously if you had all crit gear and massive amounts of SP, then haste would start being better for some time, but I meant in a realistic scenario.

The above information I was looking for was in Bink's blog entries, but he has since closed access to them.

I did find a repost on the WoWForums of the following breakdown which I am reposting in case this information is needed by another in the community as well:

Has someone already looked at out t10 stats? I am quite confused with the gloves and legs. no haste on them and they are the only pieces with hit

Well, given the datamined tier set, it seems kilt or gloves will have to go. Both have valid replacements (gloves through badges, kilt through leatherworking), but replacing both would equal loss of 4-set bonus. Comparing the gear, kilt is more likely to go, as Lightning-Infused leggings are pretty good. I'm witholding my final judgement until all loot is available.

I'd be interested in learning what the shoulder equip bonus means, though. Just a graphical effect? That seems odd, considering Malefic as another graphic effect set had no such bonus stated.

EDIT: mea culpa, I missed the gloves.

Did you guys notice they nerfed the T9 4setbonus from 20% to 10% dmg of Lava Burst?
Although not the most elegant method perhaps, this makes the T10 4 setbonus much more viable as the dps differences of the setbonus is now a lot smaller (in the order of 120-150 dps or so for the 4set)

The 2setbonus has actually become much more attractive with the elemental mastery change. I'm guessing I'll have to go for the T10 after all

Now to the drawing board to see how to prevent going too far over the soft hastecap...

On Mmo-champion they released the stats of T10 sets. It finally looks that Blizzard love us much more these days. Stats are really good, actually there are only 2 pieces with Hit rating on it (so only T10 won't bring us over hit cap) and also sockets looks very nice (pants have red and yellow which are much better then blue and red as it was in T9).
Also there is one think on the shoulders, probably some Trinket effect:
"Periodically calls forth the spirits of the Shoveltusk to bolster the bearer's spirits in battle."
Looks very interesting and I'm looking forward that.

the stats currently look like placeholders since the same stats are used for different sets (e.g. mage set has the same stats.) It's nice to see the shoulder animation confirmed, though, and it just might actually be more than a mere cosmetic proc.

But yeah, would be quite nice to have 3 Hit/crit/haste items and 2 with hit, though obviously haste would be so much better than crit.

In the light of the recent changes regarding T10 for Elementals, I can safely bet a pile pf gold on the following effect:
"The spirit of the Shoveltusk has bestowed it's blessing on you, increasing your Spirit by 50 for 15 seconds".
After a few weeks they'll realize that Shamans don't benefit from spirit and will probably change the effect with something somewhat useful.
It's not that I'm whiney or something, I simply started to take anything that comes from Blizzard with a grain of salt. For better taste, of course.

Well having 1300 haste should be the aim in next patch, more that that might be waste (I'm not much familiar to Haste scaling, but from what I know, having 1300 haste = 1 sec CD on LvB and CL).

Maybe then once we reach that point Crit may become usefull again :-) But Ill leave that to decide to someone else :-)

Maybe someone can confirm some numbers here; the effect of the soft-hit cap affects the dps of LvB, CL and FS spells as the cast time is no longer helped with further haste because of the cap on GCD of 1s.

Doing a very simple rotation (LvB and 6 or 7x LB) calculation shows that when you go over the soft haste-cap, you lose about 12% dps effectiveness of the haste above ~1270 since LB still gains full benefits. Taking some movement (=more LvB), the occasional FS and CL and a little lag into account I would say the haste above 1270 is about 80%-85% DEP of what it is today.
Still quite respectable, but below the values for sp

I haven't seen this change announced anywhere, but, please, check the tooltip for Bizuri's Totem of Shattered Ice.
This changes the situation a lot. The stack time is now fixed (5 ticks *3sec/tick = 15sec) and it's much shorter than it would have been by forcing shocks at cooldown (20 secs with shocks vs 15 secs with ticks from FS). Adding in the equation that there will be no dps loss through replacing LBs with shocks for a faster stack, it's a pretty nice increase in dps. If possible, can someone do the maths for the dps gain ?

Sorry, no.

Firstly, there is no soft hit cap, unless you refer to the differing hard cap values depending on available buffs/debuffs, or you are getting hit and haste confused in your first sentence.

Secondly, can you confirm where you got this 12% figure from? Even if the EP value of haste decreases after the 1270 mark (which will now be incorrect with the EM change anyway), it will do little to change the overall distribution of EP values. This is because crit will always play third fiddle to Spellpower & Haste, and the only really hard choice is whether to gem for Spellpower, Haste, or SP/Haste gems (and this will fluctuate anyway, because as you increase spellpower haste gains in value, while increasing haste increases spellpowers value). Eg: going from SP:1.5 Haste:1.45 Crit:0.76 to SP:1.5 Haste 1.276 Crit:0.76 doesn't really change the overall distribution of how things are valued, does it? (Disclaimer: Numbers are totally being pulled out of my arse here).

TL;DR: this is a "Chicken Little" case here. (ie: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!)

PS: I really need to stop reading the shaman forum

Sorry yes, but let me clarify.
When fully raidbuffed (totem+boomkin aura) but without any haste procs like EM or Bloodlust, the GCD is 1 sec at about 1270 haste. This means all spells that have a base cast time of 1.5 sec or less will no longer benefit from more haste as the GCD becomes the limiting factor for a next spell to be cast. (You are of course well aware of this, but ok)

LB gets full benefits of haste still. But since a reasonable part of our dps comes from LvB, FS and sometimes CL, this lack of scaling with haste will affect overall dps and cause an inflection point in the graphs at ~1270 haste. The slope of the graph should decrease a little, as even without doing any math is pretty clear.

To get a feel for how big this problem actually is, I assumed a very simple rotation of 1 LvB and 6 (or 7) LB to fill the CD and disregarded for the moment FS. I used some WMO logs of mine to see the average dmg per LvB (~15k) and LB (~7.8k, incl ~45% crit)

Doing the math, I see the average dps per additional haste point is about 12% less then before the "soft-cap". If I assume a more realistic rotation, with FS and some movement the effect will be a bit bigger.

Since I am too lazy to build a simulator I was wondering if someone already busy with this can take a look at it, but for me it's clear the ballpark figure is that haste points over 1270 are now slightly less attractive then sp and still much more attractive then crit point-for-point.
And you are right that it does not matter a whole lot (which is why I did this exercise: to check if that was indeed the case). It is certainly not 1/3 or some other extreme number I have seen on the forums :-)

As for reading shaman forums; I think you are still too interested in the game Bink; maybe you should consider getting an account again

Presently the value of a single point of haste in ZAP decreases by about 15% when you get to that minimum GCD time of one second (it's 50% haste, by the way, which is 1269 rating + buffs), but even beyond that point haste is still worth way more than crit (>35%). I think the point, as we all seem to agree, is that this doesn't change anything about our gearing or gemming strategy, as a socket bonus of 3 spellpower (or even 3 haste, in theory) or more is still worth using a Reckless gem for, but not worth using a Quick gem for.

The trouble is that a lot of folks seem to think "omg haste soft cap!!" and then start talking about stacking crit and glyphing for Elemental Mastery and it's just a horrible mess of misinformation - so yes, for all practical purposes, nothing changes beyond 50% haste.

Ravhin, you'll find that SEIC, ZAP, SimulationCraft and presumably Rawr will already do the maths you're talking about.

I should have said this earlier, but your argument is mostly a moot point, as spellpower will most likely be more valuable than haste for any given gear setup, so changing the value of haste to be slightly lower will have no impact on gearing.

For example, using ZAP!:

Haste	EP
1060(49.71%)	1.844
1065(49.87%)	1.844
1069(50.00%)	1.610
1075(50.20%)	1.609

Co-incidentally, 1.609/1.844 = 87.3% = 12.7% "lost". Which changes virtually nothing as spellpower is valued at 1.899. Again, see the Chicken Little statement from before. It's also important to be aware of the fact that this 1269 rating "soft cap" will only be valid when there are no haste buffs up, so the changes to EM will cause an additional, lower, haste "value reduction" somewhere (incidentally, you'll have multiple reduction points, for various combinations of WoA, imp Moonkin aura, bloodlust and EM, the first of these just happens to be sub-zero when all are present, 9.405 without EM, 25.627% without bloodlust, and then you have to factor in set bonuses and other such things).

So yeah, I don't think there is really any reason to start worrying about one single haste value (again).

PS: The account is staying dead. I'm having too much fun with normal bed times, watching tv, and playing DA:O, Borderlands and Torchlight. This is a combination of "augh bored time" and "there are people wrong on the interwebs".