I already opened a thread on the european damage dealers section.. There is also one on the US forums, though it's not exactly well articulated.

It just seems incredibly "dumb" to keep making swords instead of daggers that everyone can use. A 9 item loot table def has room for one more weapon though, so hopefully they'll follow that suggestion.

For those of us with the means let's not forget [Wrathful Gladiator's Blade of Celerity] as it is only a few DEP behind the heroic LK mace.

A quick search on "Phylactery" in this thread returns this as the closest thing in my mind.

So, since the trinket is actually in game now, can anyone confirm that Phylactery does, in fact, use the normal proc trinket icd?

While I can not confirm it myself, there have been a pair of people on shadowpriest.com that have confirmed the proc to have a ninety second internal cooldown.

If 90s ICD is correct, that should put Phylactery well below either DFOs.

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discussion on Phylactery.

Using ZAP, modified with the ICD of Phylactery to 100 secs (90 ICD, 10 to get the proc), the BiS trinkets are still DFO (Heroic) and PotNL (Heroic) just the order is reversed.

At 264 ilevel though, the Spyglass (Heroic) and Rotd (Heroic) beat PotNL (Normal).

Using my current stats, the trinkets are ranked like this

Dislodged Foreign Object (Heroic)
Dislodged Foreign Object (Normal)
Phylactery of the Nameless Lich (Heroic)
Muradin's Spyglass (Heroic)
Reign of the Dead/Unliving (Heroic)
Phylactery of the Nameless Lich (Normal)
Muradin's Spyglass (Normal)
Reign of the Dead/Unliving (Normal)


so the Spyglass (Heroic) looks pretty attractive, especially considering the competition you get.

Nibelung is getting buffed again.

I still can't see it making a BiS list. Although the heal addition is nice, I don't see it solving the problem of the Valkyr just getting one-shot or due to their lack of movement just standing in fire/void zone/whatever.

Secondly, even despite our less than ideal weapon choice, the loss of stats compared to Bulwark and Sceptre is severe. Making some assumptions about heroic item socket bonuses, I came up with the following (normal versions in brackets):

Sp: -119 (-93)
Haste: -70 (-60)
Crit: -123 (-123)
Int: -69 (-58)

This is in addition to less Sta, MP/5 and of course Armor.

I picked up Nibelung recently, and this buff may persuade me to at least stick with it over the ToC25 N dagger and shield which are currently my other option. In the right situations the 2% procc chance could give some very nice DPS, but it seems like no more than a stand in weapon overall.

Need some more theoriecrafting about this staff...
Now that it seems that there are no alternative waepons for us I thought of picking the heroversion of this staff as BiS choice..

But I'm not quiet sure if it proccs form:

searing totem attacks
Fire elemental attacks
pillar of flames
lightningoverloads
Flameshock dot

Any shaman that can do some testings for me?

"Regarding the proc chance, the recent change made it so other items/procs can no longer cause other items to procs, only spells a player knows. This is why we increased the proc chance for this item from from 1% to 2% but that is still a buff overall." - blue post from Bornakk today.

So I failed to read about the Phylactery ICD, and got it from our Sindragosa kill. However, I did notice ingame that the ICD was quite low, so I went here and read that.

However, I thought of something: What if we can use EM everytime the trinket is up? It could actually be a big upgrade. I'm afraid I'm not very good at maths, but I did test on a dummy how much time would EM reset using t10 2 pieces just by spamming LB (with WoA, without Swift Retribution), and it was about 75 seconds with my gear.

Now, assuming you do EM as soon as you the trinket procs, and considering about 100 seconds to proc again, do you think it is worth it to wait about 25 seconds to use EM again with the trinket up (seems rather bad idea), or the trinket is just not that good at all?

The mace is getting changed, so it seams we do have a proper BiS weapon after all.

Pretty pleased that they react to players suggestions, and they also do it in a timely manner.

I stand corrected, Blizzard did bring the same issue in game twice and fixed it twice, go figure. In any case, Terenas II is now by far the best in slot for us. Makes me wanna go "We told you so" on devs :p

Movements would put EM on a longer CD so that seems reasonable.

The main thing I like about Phylactery is the proc would really buff up your Fire Elemental so that's the main reason I like it more than Spyglass. The only problem is the ICD is long enough that it might not proc during Lust so that can devalue the DPS gain from the trinket.

All in all, you can handwave its value compared to Spyglass on a fight-per-fight basis.

291 Hit is already the perfect amount of hit for the horde.

So the current BiS List with the Arthas loot is:
Profiler - Wowhead
There is a bug in wowhead. It is a gem and an enchant on the weapon and it is summarized in the statistics but not shown on the weapon.

You've made atleast one fault here, and that's in the gloves there's an extra socket, which indicates that the person is a BS, not everyone is, and another miss here is that should the person be a BS, he'd have an extra socket in the bracers too.
Also the shoulder enchant indicates a scribe, which again not everyone is.
Another thing I found is that your blacksmith+scribe is also an enchanter

I'd also like to comment on your choice of glyph, why lava? Without t9 setbonus it won't become better until you're up around 5400+ spellpower if my sources of info is correct, even if you'd pass the "when is lava better than tow" at 5000sp, few would have a constant 5000sp, sure we'd pass it if DFO or the Phyl procs, but how often is that and is the amount we gain enough to outweigh the times we don't have the buff?

Is the heroic version of the phylactery really better than the normal version of the dislodged foreign object?
Even it will break the softcap, haste is still a far better stat than crit - if my calculations are right and i can read the dep value's on zap right, wearing both versions of the disloadged foreign object would be the better combination.

I think, as a draenei 2 sp/hitgems would be a nice option to another hit-item like a 2nd ring or neck.

sry for my bad english

As far as I know it is impossible to wear both at the same time. Heroic and nonheroic items are mutually exclusive.

Assume that pillar of flame make about 4% of a elem's DPS, it's hard to believe that reign of death is outplayed by such a number of trinkets, specially by muradin's spyglass. Are those calculs sure ?

Reign of the Dead is not 4% damage. It's more like 3-3.5%, and that's at T9 gear level.
The problem is that it only scales with crit, so with better gear it will be less and less percentage wise, therefor it makes sense to be replaced but higher ilevel trinkets.

Tools like the ZAP Spreadsheet use pretty accurate formulas to calculate the value of each trinket considering the stats you put at the input, therefor it should be fairly easy for you to calculate which trinket is best for you.

Reign of the Dead contribution for me is usually around 2,8% (245 version) / 3,1% (258 version) of my non-firetotem damage.
So the proc is worth ~ 200 dps for me, which should be around 140 spellpower (1 spellpower = 2 dps in zap, but zap dps = 1.5x actual dps on average in icc25)

so putting the heroic reign at ~300 spellpower seems about right, which means it being worse than heroic spyglass is possible.

What is currently regarded as the best professions for an elemental shaman? I've been looking into the lightweave embroidery enchant from tailors and can't seem to find solid math on what it is worth especially for ele shaman.

The lightweave embroidery proc is worth about 73.75 spellpower for any caster regardless of role or spec. Keep in mind that this is at the expense of 23 haste.

You can compare the benefits of different profession combinations using the ZAP spreadsheet.