• Binkenstein

I've revised my numbers, but I'm still not happy with how it's calculating in comparison to observed figures. I'm going to split it off from the current LB calculations in SEIC and treat it as a separate spell to see if it calculates differently.
There aren't any "unhealthy" haste figures, to be honest. Also: go post in the TTT thread rather that the TTT article itself, or even the TC/Testing threads.

 

Sjera

My calculations for the 4 piece bonus put it at around 130dps (for my current gear).

This is based on a simple +8% damage for each LB that crits. I'm making the assumption that the additional damage dots have no other effect.

Overall this is approximately 2.5% increase, which appears to be consistent with the results I'm seeing from logs.

 

B-Dawg

So are all you guys saying these dps increase numbers for our t8 bonuses are subpar? That's what I'm beginning to think. Not sure how they compare to other dps classes tier bonuses, I've seen a slight increase in my dps with the 2pc, nothing eye popping.

 

Sjera

On the contrary, the set bonuses for tier 8 are quite nice.
2 piece bonus: ~125 dps (~2.4%)
4 piece bonus: ~130 dps (~2.5%)

Obviously this will vary somewhat according to your gear, but something of that magnitude.

The bonuses are certainly significant enough to ensure we will be wearing tier items - you won't find any other piece that will make it worth losing the bonus.

How this compares to other classes tier bonuses however, I couldn't say.

 

Stormaker

Well, i am not sure how if they are better enough to drop the 4pc bonus from our set, but today at worldofraids.com i saw mail shoulders Observer's mantle i think was the name, which are better than the set one.

 

Stel

Some parts that are not from elem Tier8 are better than their tier equivalents, but replacing more than one is gonna be a tricky one cause the observed damage gain from 2 and 4 pc bonus is pretty hard to make up with the slight differences we can find on other items.

There's the resto sham tier8 helm, theses shoulders, and I'm pretty sure a couple of other items I still didn't check on (that cloth pant from... was it freya hard?).

I've been using 4pc (half T8 half T8.5) for about two weeks now, and what I noticed is along the lines of what sjera mentionned. 2pc made my FS dot move from 5 to 7.5% of my damage, and the 4pc dot makes for 2.5ish % of my damage aswell. Being quite bad at maths I'm not sure if theses increases are equal to an overall damage increase of the same percentage, but it seems decent enough to me. I guess as we tend to get more crit it will only get better.

The only thing I'm tearing myself upon is hit. We got plenty of it but since we got no SP and our moonkin(s) aren't present at all our raids, I'm still debating on what to "drop" from a SP/Moonkin capped BiS setup in order to be self capped. Stick to elem helm ? (Have to compare if theses mail shoulders are better improvement over T8 than the resto helm is over the elem one) Avoid pyrelight circle and/or KT25 ring to keep Frozen Loop and Signet of the Malevolent (although well itemized, this one is falling behind due to low itemlevel) ? Skip the broodmother trinket and stick to either dying curse or elemental focus stone ?

 

B-Dawg

I share your dilemma. I still find myself on chardev playing around with BiS setups and it racks my mind. In one I have the Elemental t8 helm, in another I have the Resto t8 helm, then I have [Belt of the Fallen Wyrm] or [Sash of Ancient Power], and I don't even want to get into rings and trinkets -_-. I'm a terrible decision maker in RL so that plays big into making decisions on gear in WoW heh, but I think we aren't alone when it comes to figuring out the "optimal" BiS setup.

 

salems

I was trying to figure out Optimal Gear that are avaible to me in the future or near future. So basically used 10/25 Man ulduar with Hard mode 10 man gear. We dont run naxx so left off ring from Kel. I dont see my guild killing any hard mode 25 man anytime soon so i left that off my list. There is a hudge jump from normal Ulduar to Hard Mode Ulduar so was wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to improve the list i have came up with or if i am straight missing something. Being a middle of the road raider I really didn't see much discussed on this so wanted to post what i came up with incase more people out there like me.

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manzarek

So, wich is better? Sash of Ancient Power
or Belt of the Fallen Wyrm?

I'm Already hit caped, 4pcs T8.

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B-Dawg

I think it really depends on what your gear set-up will be like for your preference over which belt to choose from. Of course [Belt of the Fallen Wyrm] will be much easier to come by, with a bit of luck. This is what I'd like my set-up to look like. Of course I would take the Yogg hard mode boots over what I have chosen now, but that will be a long ways to come. chardev.org v6 ~ a World of Warcraft character planner

 

Shadovv

The gem selection in your 'perfect setup' is awful. You have prismatic gems in red sockets, and spell/stam gems in blue?

...why are u even using a blue gem if you are a JC?

 

Fuuga

My guess would be planning for the JC nerf.

 

B-Dawg

I hate to be the bearer of bad (old) news, but JC gems will cease to be prismatic some time in the near future.

 

• Binkenstein

It seems silly to start planning for a change that will not come into effect for another 3-4 months at least, unless you don't plan on re-gemming at all.

 

orion121

As it stands for "BiS" with regard to hit I'm currently using Sash of Ancient Power with Dying Curse and 4 pc Ele without helm. Adding 1 full hit gem into the mix puts me 4 rating over Draenei cap, with the option of switching out the Resto t8 Helm for [Collar of the Wyrmhunter] when more hit is needed.

 

◊ Ghli

I wanted to post another BiS list, and have everyone else comment on it, before it just gets automatically added to the OP. Horde and Alliance will vary, and can adjust a few gems to get hit (2 Monarch Topaz) to gain hit cap. This is naturally assuming you have a boomkin/SP in the group.

Helm: [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Helm]

Neck: [Pendant of Fiery Havoc]

Shoulder: [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Shoulderpads]

Cloak: [Pennant Cloak]

Chest: [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Hauberk]

Wrist: [Bindings of Winter Gale]

Gloves: [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Gloves]

Belt: [Sash of Ancient Power]

Legs: [Leggings of the Enslaved Idol]

Boots: [Treads of the False Oracle]

Ring1: [Signet of Manifested Pain]

Ring2: [Nebula Band]

Trinket1: [Flare of the Heavens]

Trinket2: [Illustration of the Dragon Soul]

Weapon: [Constellus] or Starshard or [Furious Gladiator's Mageblade]

Off-Hand: [Wisdom's Hold]

Relic: [Totem of Hex]

 

Darkbeastsb

Lightning Grounded Boots should be above Eruption-Scarred Boots due to its higher spell power and crit, it outweighs the haste and should be listed within the bis list. Obviously not at the top, but still recognized.

 

Shadovv

I still think [Footsteps of Malygos] are better than both of the above. I don't know why people use eruption at all, they have 7 more spellpower than Malygos (assuming 19SP gem) while losing 18 haste. Doesn't seem like a good trade-off in my mind.

Similarly if you put 2x 19SP gems in the [Lightning Grounded Boots], compared with the boots from Malygos you gain 29spellpower but lose 56haste. I know SP is our best stat, but not by a 2:1 ratio.

Sadly I think I will be using the boots from Malygos until I can get a pair of those cloth ones from Yogg...too bad they are not only from a pretty difficult hard-mode, but are also cloth meaning I will need to wait for at least the fifth drop

 

vivalamiked

[Lightning Grounded Boots] also have 15 more crit than [Footsteps of Malygos] so it's 29 sp 15 crit versus 56 haste. It's pretty close and if you have [Lightning Grounded Boots] and eventually get [Treads of the False Oracle] you can at the very least regem [Lightning Grounded Boots] for one of the BiS for resto.

 

• Binkenstein

Incorrect. Using my current EP figures 29sp + 15crit = 49.1 EP. 56 haste = 58.2
Assuming a 6:5 SP:Haste ratio, crit would need to be worth 1.43 EP, or 13% more than Spellpower for Lightning Grounded Boots to be equal with Footsteps.

 

Lucitron

The [Lightning Grounded Boots] are mentioned plenty of times in this thread, but I can't see anyone mentioning [Spellslinger's Slippers]. Both are crafted from Runed Orbs, where the first offers crit-rating, while the latter offers haste rating, which is a stronger stat. Of course, the mana regeneration might turn the tide a bit in favour for the Grounded Boots, since it allows them to be used for a Restoration-dual spec.

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Ayrlyn

Just have a quick question I am at 569 haste and I have enough badges to buy [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Helm] I have more then enough hit rating actually its pretty excessive at the moment (304) with the helm it will be 364. Is the 4 pc bonus worth losing the haste if I stay above 510? Right now I use [Helm of Veiled Energies]. I would lose about 57 haste. Until I get either tier 8 shoulders or a better trinket to get rid of the excess hit rating. Would the tier 4 piece bonus outdo the 57 haste loss or is it better to strive for the 1.6 second lb without moonkin buff since we don't always have one especially in 10 mans just curious if it would have a negative effect on my dps any recommendations omn my gear are welcome. I just don't want to waste the badges. Would like to hear any opinions

 

Mirranda

The 4pc bonus seems to be bugged and not working correctly (assuming it should function like deep wounds/ignite/piercing shots), so in it's current incarnation, the 4pc holds very little weight. You're much better off going with the [Helm of Veiled Energies] since you don't need the hit and the 4pc doesn't hold enough weight for you to waste that much in stats.

Pretend I typed something witty.

 

Bayushi-ko

Another option would be to use the token to instead purchase [Conqueror's Worldbreaker Headpiece] as a more direct replacement for the HoVE. Slightly better stats, better socket bonus and its BiS if you don't need the hit (which you don't). Its a lot a badges for a small upgrade, but that's often how this game goes...

PS- Also works towards your Resto off-set (if you dual-spec or PvP Resto).

 

Ghando

Are you high? The 4-piece bonus is great and constitutes over 3% of my damage on many fights (looking at a complete log of last night's raid, it was 2.2% of total damage). You'll lose ticks here and there if you're critting with multiple LBs in quick succession, and maybe it could work better than it does, but the 4-piece bonus is excellent (not to mention it makes all the stats on your gear immediately more powerful).

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