Agreed ... I was just posting for informational purposes as I'd taken the time out to clean up the log file. Observation had led me to expect a wide distribution - I was just surprised by how varied it is.

Is it possible the spell was cast before the shield fell off, and thus even though it was actually off when the spell hit, it was still mitigated as it would have been at the moment it was cast?

Not sure if that's how LvB works or not.

As the LvB landed 2.5 secs before the Bone Armour was removed it's a moot point - the amour was definately in effect at the time the LvB was cast and when it landed.

So your saying the 4pc T7 bonus (of 10% crit damage) is worth 7823-7668=155 theoretical or 7820-7662=158 actual damage per max hit. And that's working as intended, ok. 10% of even the difference between a non-crit and a crit should be ~300 and that's according to your data.

The 10% crit damage bonus works out to be 5.45% actual damage. This is because of how crit bonuses are calculated.

Of course the reason for dps drop is that, however, people all around are whining how their LvB damage has gone down and how the monster stole their cookie... since we can't do anything about the monster, we might as well present a clear proof that LvB is fine.

On the other hand, the change is interesting. It makes scaling through crit a tiny bit better (not nearly enough to matter), slightly increases the number of casts per second (which is important for items such as Lightning Capacitor) and pushes Glyph of Lava even further back in viability, making Totem of Wrath the obvious and clear choice now. Also, the pve value of Totem of Hex (Naxx, badges) increases further compared to Thunderfall Totem (Ulduar). Now, if only they made LO proc 4pc T8... /dream

My spreadsheets are showing that the LO buff will give us a 3.7% increase in damage, not the 5% that Blizz claim and this will be even lower on mobile fights. If they have calculated that we need a 5% buff, this does not satisfy the requirement and helps us least in the fights that we struggle most on.

Like you, I haven’t done the CC uptime calcs yet but I find it hard to believe that it would increase uptime by 5% over existing figures. Even if it did, however, it would change our CC damage boost from 10% x 80% of the time (roughly) to 10 x 85% of the time or less than 0.5% overall. This, by my calcs would lead to a 4.2% overall increase – still below the 5%. I think that a 5% increase in uptime is optimistic though (I’m happy to be proved wrong and might even do that myself) and suspect the overall increase is closer to 4%.

The other factor of course is that this is the increase in a static fight situation. In a more mobile fight, the proportion of LB/CLs drops and the increase is likely to be a bit lower.

In a nutshell, I think this is an odd place to try and boost our DPS. Due to the high ‘hard casting’ proportion to our DPS, we are already weak in mobile fights and stronger in static ones yet this will only serve to accentuate that disparity.

Proving Lvb is fine at this point seems akin to trying to prove Bigfoot isn't real; no supporting evidence, no basis in theory, and all we have is blurry pictures of people in monkey suits that fall apart under close examination. Yet the true believers and forum trolls keep on talking.

With Blizz buffing our Lb/Cl damage, i think we can safely assume that where the dps decrease (if any) came from and put this to bed. A thousand parses showing that Lvb works "right" won't make any differnce at this point.

Here is the Filtered WWS of what seems to me to be an unusually low lava burst crit in an actual raid setting at 2:18:04, in phase 1 of Mimiron fight. This wasn't a common occurence, it's the only one that looks really low that I can find from the entire night so far. Also, I'm not very good with the filters on WWS, just now learning how to use them, so feel free to dissect for yourself. This is a report hosted by someone in my guild from monday's run, not sure how long it will be hosted (i.e. if they have a paid wws account or not).

Check my armory for current spec/gear. I'll try to remember not to log out in my pvp offspec + gear over the next few nights so as to keep armory accurate. (I'm way low on dkp too, so armory should be accurate for at least the next few weeks).

Hope this helps!

Edit: I went back and looked with dying curse included in the filter, and I actually gained the buff just down the page a bit, so losing that right before that LvB is not the case. Due to some pretty bad latency lately (350-450 lately, unfortunately) I could see that clearcasting not being applied to the LvB but rather to the next couple spells... but still, should it have been that low without CC?

E2: Other details - We had a boomkin and 3 warlocks, and I think at least one of the warlocks was using CoE as well as the Boomkin using E+M. I am still trying to find these in the log, but the next morning my buddy (the coe using lock) mentioned that if he'd have known the boomkin was using e+m al night, he'd have switch to CoA! heh). Also, we have no DP lock, so nothing to override ToW. My glyphs are Flameshock, Lightning Bolt, and ToW. If any other details would help, let me know!

Well thanks for clearing that up for me Bink. I have noticed LvB's hitting for that low for a while now and wondered if there was something to this thread that was out there to be proven. Funny, because I would think that means that Glyph of Lava would only amplify the "disparity" (or at least the appearance of one), as people would see that much bigger of a difference from what they're used to seeing.

Has the amount of damage resisted always been the same or has it changed? Looking through several pages of lava bursts from that log, all of the resists tend to either be in the 400-500 range or the 800-900 range (just at a glance, didn't actually record them and tally them up), yet all on critical strikes of LvB. Is this some sort of normal resist vs. a "critical" resist on the part of the mob? I guess I just mean to say, why isn't the amount resisted more of an even spread over a set range of numbers? (Or is it just my imagination?)