[Elemental] Patch 3.2 - Page 11

Ongor · 09/10/09, 9:14 AM

1. Buying 232 Tier. My guild does DKP and I just joined and don't see getting a trophy anytime soon, so I have about 60 badges after buying my 245 Totem and Triumph Helm (from previous guild). Would you buy the 232 tier?

2. Now that the FS Glyph now = the 4pc t8, shouldn't you now where better gear that breaks that set bonus since I have been keeping it over using better off peices in order to keep the 4pc.

Gamaron · 09/10/09, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by Ongor

2. Now that the FS Glyph now = the 4pc t8, shouldn't you now where better gear that breaks that set bonus since I have been keeping it over using better off peices in order to keep the 4pc.

The new glyph does the same thing as the 2-piece tier 8 set bonus, not 4-piece.

Horac · 09/10/09, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Bronn

Won't this change to Flame Shock affect its spell power coefficient, since the DoT portion now has a base duration of 18 seconds instead of 12?

I assume the intention is to mimic the old functionality of the Flame Shock glyph so the coefficient should not change. Currently the dot receives 10% spell power per tick. Testing on the PTR would be straightforward. Cast Flame shock with 0 spell power (no gear/talents/totems) and record the dot ticks. Equip gear and Flame shock with say 2000 spell power should show dot ticks with about 200 more damage on average.

If I get some free time I will copy over and test it out.

orion121 · 09/10/09, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by trox

I am just wondering, if we get FS not removed by LvB and also get 2 pc T9 set bonus on top of the base FS length increase, what is the advantage of the FS glyph over the LvB glyph.

This is where it leaves only the crit benefit of FS, with more basic length and damage.

Wouldn't it then be TOW / LB / LvB that is the best combination?
Even without 2 pc T9 i am doubting the advantage you get from flameshock crits over the LvB improvements.

Although the new update of FS damage increase might make the crit aspect of the glyph interesting.

Without a doubt the glyph was awesome when it did make FS stay when you did LvB.
Can't wait to see some calculations.

Given that by the time you have 245 4pc T9 you should be running Lava / LB / FS(ToW) the choice between the two will largely scale with your crit chance.

If we address 1 6-second period we'd see 3 FS tics (0, 3, 6) and 4 LB casts (roughly, haste dependent). The question is then whether the spellpower bonus of GToW applied to all 7 instances of damage will be greater then the damage done by FS critical strikes. I wish I had the coefficients w/ talents and buffs off the top of my head but I don't, first guess would put them close enough that a crit% <30% raid buffed would likely leave ToW as the stronger glyph.

Binkenstein · 09/10/09, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by trox

Originally Posted by Bronn

Originally Posted by Horac

If I get some free time I will copy over and test it out.

The T8 2pc bonus is currently worth ~130 dps. Lava and ToW hover around the 95-110 range. Until I do some more maths on it, that will be my initial recommendation, but I don't expect it will be different.

The change will affect the co-efficient, so we'll have to go back and recalculate this (Dot co-efficients are calculated on the base dot duration divided by 15, so glyphs & set bonuses don't change that). Just remember to test without talents to avoid causing calculation problems with talents.

Binkenstein · 09/10/09, 5:42 PM

New Flame Shock co-efficient: DD 16.063% DoT 75.023% or 12.504% per tick.

EP values with T9 2pc/4pc enabled:
LB: 175
FS: 153
ToW: 123
Lava: 118

Horac · 09/11/09, 1:13 AM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

New Flame Shock co-efficient: DD 16.063% DoT 75.023% or 12.504% per tick.

Test was short but the items are pretty consistent. Test was with No Talent points allocated, no Weapon Imbues active, No Totems Active, Water Shield was active. Cast 10 Flame shocks and allow the debuff to run full duration before refreshing. There are some Spell casts from a lock and boomkin running tests on target dummies nearby. At no time did they cast any damage or debuffing spells on the dummy I was using (level 70 target dummy at the end of the line in Thunder Bluff).

With 0 Spell Power NO talents, No weapon imbue, No enchant

9/11 00:26:12.288  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:26:12.655  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:12.655  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:26:15.689  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:18.747  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:21.837  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:24.624  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:27.612  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:30.609  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:30.609  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:26:31.325  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:26:31.413  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:31.413  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:26:34.473  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:37.471  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:40.469  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:41.819  SPELL_AURA_REFRESH,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,57960,"Water Shield",0x8,BUFF
9/11 00:26:41.819  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,57960,"Water Shield",0x8
9/11 00:26:43.451  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:46.449  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:49.448  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:49.448  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:26:50.047  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:26:50.348  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:50.348  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:26:53.312  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:56.294  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:26:59.291  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:02.289  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:05.272  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:08.269  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:08.269  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:09.020  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:27:09.107  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,750,749,4,0,0,0,1,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:09.107  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:12.151  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:15.149  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:18.147  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:21.128  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:24.126  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:27.108  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:27.108  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:27.758  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:27:28.007  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:28.007  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:31.005  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:33.988  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:36.985  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:39.967  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:42.964  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:45.963  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:45.963  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:46.380  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:27:46.386  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:46.386  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:27:49.428  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:52.425  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:55.423  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:27:58.405  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:01.403  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:04.401  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:04.401  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:05.101  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:28:05.301  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:05.301  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:08.233  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:11.281  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:14.279  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:17.261  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:20.258  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:23.256  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:23.256  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:24.373  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:28:24.459  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:24.459  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:27.537  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:30.519  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:33.517  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:36.499  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:39.496  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:42.494  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:42.494  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:43.179  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:28:43.378  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:43.378  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:28:46.376  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:49.391  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:52.389  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:55.353  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:28:58.368  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:01.333  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:01.333  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:29:02.616  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:29:03.016  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:03.016  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:29:05.997  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:08.995  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:11.993  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:14.974  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:17.972  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:20.971  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:20.971  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:29:22.337  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:29:22.653  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,500,499,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:22.653  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:29:25.635  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:28.666  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:31.631  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:34.629  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:37.610  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:40.608  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,139,138,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:29:40.608  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF

1608 Spell power, No Talents, No Weapon imbue, No Totems

9/11 00:31:49.598  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:31:49.768  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:31:49.768  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:31:52.761  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:31:55.759  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:31:58.758  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:01.739  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:04.737  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:07.585  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,377,0,32,97,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:07.670  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:07.670  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:08.085  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x010000000011BB40,"Acrona",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,12579,"Winter's Chill",0x10,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:08.402  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:32:08.402  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47813,"Corruption",0x20,1014,0,32,116,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:08.402  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47813,"Corruption",0x20,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:08.619  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:08.619  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:09.501  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,377,0,32,97,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:11.432  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,64951,"Primal Wrath",0x8,BUFF
9/11 00:32:11.432  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,472,0,32,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:11.617  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:13.465  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,377,0,32,97,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:14.065  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000122D0E,"Failyos",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,46857,"Trauma",0x1,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:14.614  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:15.264  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,69369,"Predator's Swiftness",0x1,BUFF
9/11 00:32:15.464  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,424,0,32,49,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:17.479  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,424,0,32,49,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:17.563  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:19.462  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,377,0,32,97,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:19.462  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x010000000002D4AF,"Destrolol",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,47864,"Curse of Agony",0x20,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:20.594  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:22.342  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x01000000000C6788,"Maligad",0x528,0x01000000000EC7CA,"Pbjtime",0x518,63944,"Renewed Hope",0x2,BUFF
9/11 00:32:23.592  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:26.590  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:26.590  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:27.274  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:32:27.457  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:27.457  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:30.488  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:33.453  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:36.434  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:39.432  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:42.381  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:45.412  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:45.412  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:46.229  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:32:46.229  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:46.229  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:32:49.259  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:52.291  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:55.273  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:32:58.271  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:01.269  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:04.250  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:04.250  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:04.884  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:33:05.121  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:05.121  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:08.131  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:11.129  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:14.128  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:17.109  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:20.090  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:23.089  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:23.089  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:24.072  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:33:24.373  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,845,844,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:24.373  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:27.369  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:30.368  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:33.349  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:36.330  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:39.328  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:42.343  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:42.343  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:43.327  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:33:43.610  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:43.610  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:33:46.607  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:49.589  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:52.587  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:55.585  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:33:58.567  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:01.565  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:01.565  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:02.348  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:34:02.436  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:02.436  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:05.446  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:08.444  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:11.442  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:14.424  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:17.405  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,299,298,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:20.403  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:20.403  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:21.387  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:34:21.553  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:21.553  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:24.551  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:27.549  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:30.530  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:33.529  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:35.810  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0xF130008B1300183A,"Magister Dalhyr",0xa28,0xF130008B1300183A,"Magister Dalhyr",0xa28,12544,"Frost Armor",0x10,BUFF
9/11 00:34:36.527  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:39.508  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:39.508  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:40.258  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4
9/11 00:34:40.524  SPELL_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,844,843,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:40.524  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF
9/11 00:34:43.522  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:46.520  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:46.888  SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF130008B1300183A,"Magister Dalhyr",0xa28,0xF130008B1300183A,"Magister Dalhyr",0xa28,12544,"Frost Armor",0x10,BUFF
9/11 00:34:46.953  SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS,0xF130008B1300183A,"Magister Dalhyr",0xa28,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,12544,"Frost Armor",0x10
9/11 00:34:49.502  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:52.500  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:55.482  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:58.480  SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,300,299,4,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil
9/11 00:34:58.480  SPELL_AURA_REMOVED,0x0100000000078F95,"Horac",0x511,0xF130007F9B001A81,"Master's Training Dummy",0x10a28,49233,"Flame Shock",0x4,DEBUFF

Based on the log and some quick math it looks like the Flame Shock DD is 21.42% and the Dot portion is 10% which I think are the same values as on live.

Dunno why your calculations came out so different Bink.

Binkenstein · 09/11/09, 3:35 AM

I would report it as a bug. It's quite possible they only modified the dot duration, and haven't updated the spellpower co-efficients yet.

Horac · 09/11/09, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

I would report it as a bug. It's quite possible they only modified the dot duration, and haven't updated the spellpower co-efficients yet.

It isn't necessarily a bug. As i stated previously, if the intention is to change Flame Shock to mimic how the live version of the glyph modifies the spell then there should be no change to the coefficients at all. I posted on the PTR forum to get clarification.

[BUG]Flame Shock

♦ masanbol · 09/11/09, 12:42 PM

Looks like clarification was provided, and he even answered my question about the set bonus. Will this change the EP values?

Foxx2405 · 09/11/09, 1:25 PM

Originally Posted by Horac

It isn't necessarily a bug. As i stated previously, if the intention is to change Flame Shock to mimic how the live version of the glyph modifies the spell then there should be no change to the coefficients at all. I posted on the PTR forum to get clarification.

[BUG]Flame Shock

I'm a little worried that this will bite them in the behind though. They'd better have some capitalized note lying around that they didn't extrapolate the coefficient, otherwise we might up with a dodgy spell if they alter it in cataclysm.
I personally don't see the reason why they can't increase the coefficient, its not like elemental shaman top the charts (quite the opposite in fact).

I think this makes the EP drop somewhat, but it should still outclass Lava and ToW. Exact same dps benefit as the 2 set T8 I think.

Horac · 09/11/09, 1:51 PM

Originally Posted by Foxx2405

I'm a little worried that this will bite them in the behind though. They'd better have some capitalized note lying around that they didn't extrapolate the coefficient, otherwise we might up with a dodgy spell if they alter it in cataclysm.
I personally don't see the reason why they can't increase the coefficient, its not like elemental shaman top the charts (quite the opposite in fact).

I think this makes the EP drop somewhat, but it should still outclass Lava and ToW. Exact same dps benefit as the 2 set T8 I think.

They are probably happy with the damage it does right now and are looking to make it a quality of life improvement. I dunno if it will turn into a "bum spell" like you think just because they didn't do an adjustment on the coefficient. The reply seems to indicate that some of the old formulas for determining this stuff are used more like guidelines instead of hard rules that are only broken on rare exceptions or not at all.

It looks like about 10% difference in Total Coefficient (DD + dot). If it was a spammed nuke that would be a concern. If that is the case then it works out to around 320 damage assuming 3200 spell power every 18 seconds. So around 17.7 dps difference (crit glyph probably changes that up some). The spell would scale better and it would be a small buff assuming you avoid stomping the dot damage by refreshing it early. I'm not all that great at the Mathy portion of this game so I defer to Bink on the hard numbers of what the difference would be.

Binkenstein · 09/11/09, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by masanbol

Looks like clarification was provided, and he even answered my question about the set bonus. Will this change the EP values?

Yep.
FS glyph goes down to ~131. It's somewhat disappointing in a way, because tweaking Flame Shock would have meant that more dps wasn't coming from LB/LvB, preventing PvP & Hodir/Vezax overpoweredness (is that a word?)

Mackeyser · 09/11/09, 6:17 PM

I'm following this discussion most intently and I thank all those involved for their contributions.

I'm looking for perhaps some clarification/validation/correction about some conclusions I think I've come to on our scaling issues.

This has probably all been gone over, so when i beat the dead horse, I'll try to only get it on me. The need for concision has to do with relating these topics to others as it usually the way with these things.

My thoughts are we don't scale (and can't really be fixed this EXPAC) due to our coefficients. Specifically, I am referring to the coefficients of LB and LvB, how the designers have articulated they are pleased (read: not gonna change) with the balance of LB and LvB in PvE in avoiding any gear/spec/stat setup that would in any way favor a LB spam and how they've been concerned about reducing the burst of LvB in PvP.

The conclusion I came to is that Blizz has painted themselves into a design corner with us. They can't just raise LB coefficients... or we return to LB spamming. They can't raise both LB and LvB coefficients so we scale like we should... or LvB would be too powerful in PvP.

I still have fun with my shammy, don't get me wrong. I'd just like to do better and I think structurally, we're limited.

Am I correct? Partially? Completely off-base?

Edit: Sorry, I raid on Yarong - Gnomeregan - US. He's my main raider.

Anthraax · 09/11/09, 8:58 PM

Is there a new break point in SP for Lava to overtake ToW since the EP for ToW Glyph has changed?