The [Thunderfall Totem] gives 215 to Base Damage on Lava Burst, so the [Glyph of Lava] (which increases spellpower of LvB) wouldn't have any interaction with it. And yes it's true that he's using a totem that's worse than the totem of hex, but that's not the point.

In his defense, despite having read (and understood) pretty much all of this thread, I mentioned before that Rawr is saying that the glyph of Lava is higher dps than the glyph of flame shock. (both below LB and ToW, which shouldn't be the case). I'm going to drag out my old computer soon so I can run SEIC since I don't have exel on my new one, and see what that gives.

Edit: the reason I mention totem of hex is because it's possible he doesn't have the emblems for Electrifying Winds

My mistake then. Regardless he should be using totem of electrifying wind and not Thunderfall or Hex

I also believe that there may be a discrepancy about what glyphs are best to have when you get 4-Piece Tier 9. I tested [Glyph of Flame Shock] and [Glyph of Lava] on the Level 80 Grandmaster's Training Dummy, to prevent misses from affecting my results. In this gear [as I type this, the Armory hasn't been updated--I now have Tier 9 Legs and the 4-Piece], I recorded the following DPS measurements:

TEST WITH [Glyph of Lava Burst], TOTEM OF WRATH, LIGHTNING BOLT
Test 1: 6200 DPS
Test 2: 5900 DPS
Test 3: 6200 DPS

TEST WITH [Glyph of Flame Shock], TOTEM OF WRATH, LIGHTNING BOLT
Test 1: 5800 DPS
Test 2: 5700 DPS
Test 3: 5800 DPS

Although I only did 3 separate tests per set of glyphs, there appears to be a significant difference. Obviously, because of crit chance, proc efficiency, and latency, these tests are not concrete. After each test I waited for several minutes for procs, such as Elemental Mastery and my trinket procs, to be back up. [Totem of Electrifying Wind] was used for all of these tests.

At this stage I'd say that Rawr is wrong on that respect, although I haven't looked at it recently. How much are the differences that you're seeing?

3 tests, each being no more than 5 minutes long (i'm guessing) is a terrible way of judging dps. I'm not surprised to see your results because you have no raid buffs at all. add in Imp. Scorch, Focus Magic, AI, Kings, and MotW, and your crit should go up substantially (that's assuming you are already using the ToW debuff on the target). by substiantially, i mean ~9% or more.

what glyph do you think 9% more crit will benefit the most?

three short tests with greatly varying RNG and no raid buffs are not enough to provide any conclusions about anything.

However, as I stated a couple times earlier in the thread, Rawr gave me Lava > FS glyph. SEIC gave me FS @ 129 dps, and Lava @ 122 dps. It might be worth another look, but certainly not by the margins you're suggesting.

ADDED:
I'll put the specific number in this post when I get home (in about an hour or two) - I can't remember offhand, but it wasn't a negligible difference. Glyph order was LB -> ToW -> Lava -> FS. As I just posted above, the numbers SEIC gave me have them being pretty competitive, so while Rawr may be wrong, I'm not inclined to disregard it outright quite yet.

UPDATE:
Rawr says:
Lightning Bolt - 430
Totem of Wrath - 295
Lava - 277
Flame Shock - 259

So by using that ranking for Glyphs, what happens when you hit the 3600sp mark? Would you go LB, ToW, Lava? Or would you go LB, Lava, FS, or the last option LB, FS, Lava?

I've been trying LB, ToW, FS, and LB, Lava, FS off and on to see which one fairs better, and the differences in a raid environment seem minimal.

I'm sitting at 4pc T9, with a couple of 258 pieces, and raid buffed (including demonic pact) I'm well above the 3600sp mark, so I'm just trying to decide which option is truly better.

So, we killed Heroic Anub'arak tonight for the first time and we've been using a Demo Warlock for this particular fight (for the execute-range damage boost and cooldown use). As a result, I'm freed up to use damaging fire totems. My Healing Stream is also relied upon to keep my group alive, so between the two I switch to Glyph of TOW (from Lava) when I fight Anub.

Here are the meters for this kill--unfortunately, WOL doesn't count fire totems at all.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

It shows my DPS as ~7700, when in reality (using in-fight meters that included the totems) I sustained 8400 over the course of the fight using Fire Elemental in P3. I did 2.9M damage all told, which would put me (and did) right below Kadrok at #6 for the fight. I was very pleased with my damage and you can see that even without damaging fire totems I pulled very respectable damage. The 3.2.2 buffs seem to have done their job at least for now.

It actually did track and associate your fire totems. You just need to click the little arrow next to your name.

Well then I wonder what explains the discrepancy with the in-game meters? They were pretty accurate for the rest of the raid. In any case, the damage is good.

Hi

It is my first post here. After a run on Anub'arak yesterday, I have a doubt on the magma totem. If 2 shamans use it does it stack ?

Thank you

Yes, multiple shaman can be using Magma totem simultaneously.

The damage is good, uh did you mean 29 million damage? since for overall that's what it's closer to. For just the kill though the log has you at 3.9 million. Either way if you did mean overall damage it could just be caused by the person running the combat log releasing early when they died.

From what I've seen, single target Searing > Magma, 2+ Magma > Searing.

The DPSC of Magma and Searing favour Searing (slightly) on a single target, but Searing's prolonged duration means that you will sacrifice fewer LB/CL/LvB's for it.

Given the 2m duration of Fire Ele I imagine it would trump the other 2 aswell.

The Elemental is more than either. The tricky part is knowing which attempt to use it on

Edited to be less wrong

Then this must be a discrepancy between bloodlust and heroicsm, because bloodlust sure doesn't work.

Fire elementals do not benefit from heroism, only player-controlled pets do (hunter/warlock pets, treants, shadowfiend etc.).

Ah, my mistake then - although they're still more dps than either other totem. I thought I noticed the Heroism animation going over an Elemental in raid. It's what I get for switching to a Shaman!

In theory, yes. In practice, though, if you have any kind of adds in the fight, Searing will glitch a lot and essentially stop casting at all. It happens with fire elemental on occasion as well. You drop it and he just stands there, polishing his nails.

There is no code left from the old non glyphed calculation.
However haste being valued so low is indeed a strange behavior, because with my tests it is usually valued higher as or close to spell power.

I checked your char on the armory and it seems you are just at a haste point where the relative stat values show misleading information.

You should post the rest of the Rawr image. The big red warning states the relative stat value pane can be undependable. I've seen weird things on my cat where haste magically becomes the best stat for a certain item configuration. Change it, things go back to normal. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but don't take relative stat value as gospel.

Regarding that glitch, I placed a searing totem just before the first boss from the Northrend Beasts ran in, assuming it would start attacking it automatically, but it did not. Once combat engaged it still did not start attacking, not even when I had begun attacking myself. It eventually worked when I placed a new searing totem.

I've experienced several occasions where it would and sometimes would not attack when placed pre-combat. And yes, it was well in range.

I've gotten a lot from this thread guys, but I was hoping I could get some clarification:

First, I have only been elemental for two months after leveling and raiding as resto for a year and a half. The one thing that I am not completely sure about and I have tried looking for (most likely in the wrong places), is what raid make-up do you start dropping searing or magma instead of ToW. I understand that the ToW glyph may change this.

thanks!