[Elemental] Patch 3.2 - Page 15

Binkenstein · 09/15/09, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by masanbol

What I'm interested in now is the new break point in spellpower for 4pc T9 + Lava > ToW, with the changes to Shamanism and the subsequent shifting of the value of SP.

With T8 4pc it's 4055 (ToW:129, Lava: 109 @ 3385sp) but since T8 2pc isn't changing it won't make much of a difference there.
Switch in T9 4pc however, and it changes to 3497 (ToW 127, Lava 125 @ 3385sp).

Status on changes so far: rotation set up to have 4 CL settings: None, After LvB, Before LvB, on Cooldown. More accurate CC model and OOM calculations (also working on giving information to work out best CL use to result in zero mana at the end of the fight, but no Heroism calculations yet. Sets & Glyphs are done, Relics still to go.

Conq[SUN] · 09/16/09, 2:31 AM

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Hopefully ToW will be buffed and not DP nerfed.

Xtensible · 09/16/09, 5:58 PM

Longtime reader, first time poster. Thanks Bink for all your hard work here.

With these changes I'm assuming we'll go back to 5/5 Convection in 3.2.2? The old 57/14/0 build without Elemental Warding making a comeback?

CaptnIgnit · 09/16/09, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Xtensible

Longtime reader, first time poster. Thanks Bink for all your hard work here.

With these changes I'm assuming we'll go back to 5/5 Convection in 3.2.2? The old 57/14/0 build without Elemental Warding making a comeback?

This will more than likely be the case. I haven't done any testing but I suspect that, with liberal CL use, we'll need the mana reduction.

Dasteyy · 09/17/09, 2:48 AM

You dont neccesarily have to specc into Convection because you will be going back to Chain Lightning.
Currently I have 2/5 in Convection and I am using chain lightning on cooldown (since in my opinion its better damage that LB or maybe I just like the fast cast).
So you don't neccesarily need the mana reduction, but lets say that you die, and ankh or get CRed you wont get to use it EVER

Kaideq · 09/17/09, 5:27 AM

I'm one piece short of swapping to the new tier and going over 1k haste with the totem up, I think some points in convection will be very healthy for your mana pool.
With quite a lot of movement required in toct regaining mana from Thunderstorm shouldn't be too much of a dps drop as well.
I think we will be seeing different spell priorities dependant on fight duration again, it will be fun trying to end all fights with as low as possible mana again.

Xiar · 09/17/09, 8:03 AM

I never left the old ele build with 5/5 convection, mostly because I'd rather mana really never be an issue and I don't really die much.

I've found that adding all this haste does start taxing your mana pool a bit, up to 751 unbuffed now with just a couple pieces until the 800's.

If the up to CL is enough that it starts becoming a part of the main rotation again, I can't see not having to get convection, especially as you rise in haste levels.

Arkal_de · 09/17/09, 8:33 AM

Originally Posted by Xtensible

Longtime reader, first time poster. Thanks Bink for all your hard work here.

With these changes I'm assuming we'll go back to 5/5 Convection in 3.2.2? The old 57/14/0 build without Elemental Warding making a comeback?

I switched to this spec after our 2nd atempt on the heroic beasts. For me it just seems impossible to not run oom otherwiese. There are just to many opportunities to use chainlightning in almost all fights in ToTC H.

1. Snowbolds on Meles so you can cleave the Boss
2. Mistresses of Pain / Elementals
3. Twin's
4. Anub adds (i even use the chainlightning glyphe on this fight

Ikefury · 09/17/09, 8:57 AM

Just note that CL is wonky on most of those fights, and often won't jump from snobolds/Anub adds to their respective boss unless they are right on top of him.

I'm personally at 1019 haste when I raid, and I've been noticing my mana dipping a lot more lately then ever before. At this point in gearing, I'd almost say 57/14/0 is necessary to keep up sustainability, even without regular CLing in the rotation (and just incidental CL when adds are near bosses), but I don't have any math to back me up aside from anecdotal evidence.

Arkal_de · 09/17/09, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Ikefury

Just note that CL is wonky on most of those fights, and often won't jump from snobolds/Anub adds to their respective boss unless they are right on top of him.

I'm personally at 1019 haste when I raid, and I've been noticing my mana dipping a lot more lately then ever before. At this point in gearing, I'd almost say 57/14/0 is necessary to keep up sustainability, even without regular CLing in the rotation (and just incidental CL when adds are near bosses), but I don't have any math to back me up aside from anecdotal evidence.

If you atempt anub hardmode the adds HAVE to be on top of the boss

So every aoe class has to be able to dps all 4 adds + the boss at the same time, otherwise you gonna get trouble with limited amount of patches/healer runing out of mana/to many add spawns. So you are guaranteed to get the full benefit of CL!

I give it to you that its somethimes luck if you can get a chainlightning jump to the boss/other snowbold on the beasts fight. But then just switch back to your single target rotation without CL if they are not within range of a 2nd target. Not to much of a dps loss imho...

On the Jaxxus fight its actually quit easy to see if the adds are within CL jumprange of each other to warrant casting a CL.

Ikefury · 09/17/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Arkal_de

If you atempt anub hardmode the adds HAVE to be on top of the boss

So every aoe class has to be able to dps all 4 adds + the boss at the same time, otherwise you gonna get trouble with limited amount of patches/healer runing out of mana/to many add spawns. So you are guaranteed to get the full benefit of CL!

I give it to you that its somethimes luck if you can get a chainlightning jump to the boss/other snowbold on the beasts fight. But then just switch back to your single target rotation without CL if they are not within range of a 2nd target. Not to much of a dps loss imho...

On the Jaxxus fight its actually quit easy to see if the adds are within CL jumprange of each other to warrant casting a CL.

Yeah, the Jaraxxus fight is good about that.

However, what I meant on Anub is that often for me, even when the adds are right next to the boss (as in, not ontop of the boss, but just to the right of him) CL doesn't make the jump to Anub. Often, its only if they are at least half under him that it jumps to them.

shocktrooprx · 09/18/09, 12:09 AM

this may be a silly question but has anyone been on the ptr and swapped out flameshock glyph and using as majors > ToW, lava and LB?

Boondok · 09/18/09, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by shocktrooprx

this may be a silly question but has anyone been on the ptr and swapped out flameshock glyph and using as majors > ToW, lava and LB?

If I remember correctly, Glyph of LB>Flameshock>ToW>lava, so you wouldn't want to swap it out.

shocktrooprx · 09/18/09, 2:06 AM

Originally Posted by Boondok

If I remember correctly, Glyph of LB>Flameshock>ToW>lava, so you wouldn't want to swap it out.

Shaman

* Flame Shock: The duration of all ranks has been increased by 6 seconds.
* Lava Burst: This ability no longer ever consumes a Flame Shock debuff off of the target.

with these changes unless they change the flame shock which i dont see that they have for the ptr why would you still use that glyph > wasted slot imo.

it would seem that swapping out FS with Lava and keeping LB and ToW would be a pretty decent boost to dps or am i missing something.

Xiar · 09/18/09, 2:40 AM

The new Flame shock glyph will be the same as the Tier 8 two set bonus. ie periodic damage from flame shock can crit.

If you're in T8, yes the glyph is totally worthless.

If you're not in T8 the glyph is still one of the three to have. From Bink's numbers it will be the 2nd best glyph behind lightning bolt glyph.