Since it is 3.2.2 now. and due to glyph changes. If you have 4p t9 like I do. What glyphs would I want to be using?
Lava / ToW / LB
or
FS / ToW / LB
or
FS / Lava / LB

I'm leaning toward lava/tow/lb.

The relative value of spellpower is increased in 3.2.2, particularly if you are making heavy use of CL on a given encounter. Lava will remain superior for single-target damage if you have the T9 4-piece bonus and the rest of your gear is good. However, I've been using the TOW glyph for heroic Anub'arak and the single-target damage even prior to 3.2.2 wasn't that far behind Lava. It's still pretty much a wash.

BTW, my rationale behind using the TOW glyph for heroic Anub is that we have a Warlock going Demonology for the fight. So we have DP and I'm making heavy use of both Healing Stream for P3 healing and fire totems for damage. The end result is a sustained 7700+ DPS all the way through P3, which is pretty cool and should be even higher this week.

What glyph is better to replace Glyph of Flame Shock for us scrubs still with t8? Glyph of Flametongue (+2% crit) or Glyph of Lava?

well it's a good thing you didn't read any of the last 2+ pages of discussion, or else you'd know that the Glyph of Lava is better hands down without having to ask.


Anyway, just a thought on the calculations of set bonus values. I think when we calculate the value of the 2t8 set bonus, we should give it a different value than the new flameshock glyph value. This may seem counterintuitive, but the dot-crit effect is pretty much guaranteed regardless of your gear, since it is an automatic glyph choice without 2t8. The only thing the 2t8 set bonus allows us to do is change the FS glyph for the Glyph of Lava. That means when we calculate the value of the 2t8 set bonus, it's value should be the same as the Glyph of Lava, since in practicality that's what it gives us.

Example:
Lets say I do 6k dps with the glyph of Flame shock. I then get my 2t8 set bonus with similar ilevel gear, so my dps would stay around 6k. However, I swap out the FS glyph for Lava, and i gain 90 dps from the glyph of lava, while maintaining FS dot crits.

Result: the net gain of 2t8 is the same as the dps gain you get from the glyph you swap in.

Nothing game changing, but changes how we look at the set bonus, and when some people decide to drop their 2t8 set bonus.

Ok, so I had to go back to page 7 for the first one, but still....

I didn't say it's the same, but comparable to crit. And also didn't say anything about the item budget.

If item [a] and item [b] is about the same, but [a] has mp5, [b] has spirit and a bit more spell power (good example is the ring slot), I'd rolled on the spirit ring. Now, this change could make me think of loosing the 2 spell power for the 25 MP5..

I'd sell my first born for a spreadsheet or updated RAWR that included an option for you to put down searing/magma(single target) in the rotation. We too run with a demo lock which means I get a lot more damage out of these totems and I too think I will be using ToW over Lava from napkin math (as well as getting slightly better mileage out of crit), but there are no credible sims that account for this growing trend amongst ele shaman. If you find one or create one - put it on these boards pls for the good of elementals everywhere.

I got a question on how to use CL in clearcasting state:
If I use it right after LvB and I stand about 30 yards awaay from the mob, will CL be 40% cheaper, assuming my LvB hit before CL ends casting or is it better to use CL as second cast after the first two LvB in my rotation?
After the third LvB I asume FS saves me the time I need for a smooth rotation?
info: 800 haste, totem of electrifying wind

OK, so I'm gonna say something that I know is gonna be unpopular, but I've tested it and I think there might be something to it. So I'm just throwing this out there.

I think on a single target CL has only an 11% chance to proc overload. And I think that that fact makes it better to cast LB instead of CL.

Heres why I think that.

I did a simple test twice, casting 100 chain lightnings, and counting the procs, the first instance out of 100 I got 9 overloads, the second I got 13.

I did the same with regular Lightning bolts, and got 32 overloads, and then 34.

What I think the game is doing, is assuming that your chain lightning is going to hit 3 targets, so its dividing the 33% proc chance between the potential 3 targets. I think you guys might find the same thing if you tried to test it yourself. Please let me know what you discover, I think the proc rate is a SIGNIFICANT bit lower on CL than LB.

Some folks (like me) are still using 2T8 + 2T9 and I don't see any numbers for using the Flametongue Weapon glyph as a 3rd glyph except way back on like page one where it was listed as equiv to Lava.
With the 1st and 2nd glyph being ToW & LB, and not needing FT glyph and not having have the 4T9 bonus to make Lava as good, and with 2T8 + 2T9 both enhancing FS, does the FtW glyph surpass Lava as the FtW glyph buffs FS, LB & CL by 2% vs the 10% for just Lava? Love to see some numbers for 2T8 + 2T9 glyphs, not just the 2T9 + 4T9.

Also there will be increased CC time and now that mana is more of an issue does this change anything?

I ran the test, and did not get the same results as you, although I didn't get 33%, I surely didn't get 11%.

My results were:

LB - 3 instances of 100 casts - Procs: 31, 36, 35

CL - 3 instances of 100 casts - Procs: 21, 28, 26

So either my RNG was really good, your RNG is really bad, or there is a legit bug. Either way I think more data needs to be gathered before we report it as a bug.

One thing you might want to try britishgrl, is glyph for chain lightning (increasing to 4 targets) and see if your proc rate drops to 7-8ish.

-V