[Elemental] Patch 3.2 - Page 4

Agash · 07/11/09, 9:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dangeres

Yet the vast majority of shamans including mainstays here do not go over 550 and run from haste proc'ing trinkets like the plague. I'm trying to figure out why this discrepancy exists.

I don't think there is the same aversion to haste procs as there was during Naxx. There, there was a very clear reason for it and that was because, due to the stat levels and set bonuses at the time, it was important to maximise LvB casts and the best way of doing this was to find the rotation best suited to your haste rating (possibly including CL) and stick to it. Haste procs, obviously made this far more difficult. With Ulduar stats, the new set bonuses and the change to LO, LB has gained ground on LvB (though still behind) and CL has dropped out of the picture completely. Therefore, people do not talk about maintaining a 'tight rotation' in the same way they did in 3.0 (though it is still important of course) they just fill up the gap with LBs, however many that might take.

Like Ghando says though, you really need to go out of your way a bit to get haste ratings significantly over 550-600 and the sacrifice to get there is simply not worth it. Most Shaman here probably have around 30% crit and 18k health too but it doesn't mean they are targetting it or using it as a cap - it's just where the gear has ended up putting them whilst they have been focussing on getting SP gear. Same with the 550 haste rating.

Flau · 07/12/09, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Rootzo

How does that make sense? You assume that you have 520 haste rating at the beginning and that with berserking you add 130 haste rating. Your calculs should use 130 haste rating gained and not your total to calculate how much DPS you gain from the ability. I really think the orc racial is better, especially since you gain an actual 179.3 sp on lightning bolt and 195,6 on Lava Burst. You'd have to explain to me how you did your maths here.

I don't see your problem...but i'll try to explain whats the reason behing my calculation.

Troll: 650[haste]/(180[cd]/10[duration])*1,2 [scaling factor]~ 44 Dps

650hasterating ~ 20% haste which berserking is worth. (maybe you misunderstood this skill ... it doesn't increase your hasterating value by 20%. It's like icy veins, just a 20% bloodlust)
Now I divided this value by cooldown/duration to simulate an overall buff and multiplyed it by its scaling factor to receive a total dps number.

Orc: 163[spell]/(120[cd]/15[duration])*1,6 [scaling factor]~ 33 Dps

Same way here. (It was just a spontaneous calculation, so i missed the spellfactor by 0.2

Moreover berserking is on the same cd as elemental mastery, so you can always use both skills together in longer fights, as i already mentioned.

@ the others:
No rotation
No magic statvalues
No matter what the average shaman has

Just believe in Binkensteins theoriecrafting^^

kasouti · 07/13/09, 1:05 AM

Only issue that may occur which has nothing to do with your math really is the duration of the fight. It could possibly push for orc being better depending on the length.

Binkenstein · 07/13/09, 1:36 AM

Originally Posted by Flau

Just believe in Binkensteins theoriecrafting^^

But it isn't mine.

Throwing some values together, and accounting for the fact that haste buffs multiply rather than add, Berserking:Blood Fury is more 2:1 rather than the 4:3 ratio you're suggesting. That said, we're talking ~30 dps difference here, and this isn't taking into account buff conjunction for BF, nor reducing Berserkings figures based on the 50% haste cap for FS/LvB, so it's not impossible that the figures are what you're suggesting.

In the long run, I think it's pretty much pointless to talk/discuss/argue about which racial bonus is better, partially because it's a very very minor difference, partially because the Draenei hit aura beats both hands down, and partially because, no matter how you try, I will never ever roll a troll if I can avoid it.

Jiigsaw · 07/14/09, 2:41 PM

It seems that the two piece bonus from T9 would go great with the FS glyph + two piece bonus from T8, giving more room for critical ticks.

Any thoughts on how that itemization would stack vs. full T9?

Binkenstein · 07/14/09, 6:40 PM

T8 2pc + 4pc > T9 2pc + T8 2pc

DoomSpirit · 07/15/09, 1:52 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

T8 2pc + 4pc > T9 2pc + T8 2pc

Didn't you mean T9 2pc + 4 pc > T9 2pc + T8 2pc? If yes, that would be interesting to know if dropping the T8 4pc is worth getting the T9 2pc.

♦ masanbol · 07/15/09, 2:20 PM

I think his post was pretty clear in that regard.

DoomSpirit · 07/15/09, 3:14 PM

Well considering the question he was answering to:

Any thoughts on how that itemization would stack vs. full T9?

It wasn't clear.

Binkenstein · 07/15/09, 5:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jiigsaw

It seems that the two piece bonus from T9 would go great with the FS glyph + two piece bonus from T8, giving more room for critical ticks.

Any thoughts on how that itemization would stack vs. full T9?

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

T8 2pc + 4pc > T9 2pc + T8 2pc

Now re-read the posts. I've previously stated that T8 vs T9 bonuses are about even, so stating that combining both 2pc FS bonuses is less dps than staying with T8 refutes the first point, and by inference answers the second as well.

Lohmarn · 07/16/09, 5:19 AM

Troll hate! Its not kewl mon! Bad mojo be comin' ur way!

Whats wrong with a troll anyway? I know they are close to being the least played race in WoW, but are their racials really that horrible?

Anyway, on the note of Totem of the Electrifying Wind. Has anyone found out if there is a CD on it or not? I think this is what a lot of people would like to know.

I had it on my Premade Elemental shaman, but that was before they changed it where you had to have 25 Triumph emblems to buy them, and the gear on it was sub-par to what I was using so I copied mine, and deleted.

The totem then didn't have an Internal CD but I heard there was going to be a 20 sec. CD put on it. When you think about it, its still not that bad, 20-12, so pretty much a 8 sec CD.

The 20 sec IC was talk on the PTR, i still haven't found anything refuting it or proving it.

Binkenstein · 07/16/09, 5:20 PM

Last report indicated that there was no internal cooldown, but that was a few patches ago.

Sufjans · 07/17/09, 9:23 AM

An odd change I noticed in the latest PTR build is that Storm, Earth and Fire causes earthbind totem to apply roots in its area of effect on every pulse of the totem, not just the first.

The wording on the talent is still the same on live, so its probably a bug (and I reported it), but thought it was worth mentioning in case it isn't.

Äternitas · 07/17/09, 10:27 AM

I thnink staying with T8.25 gear would be wasting slots. The bonus is not bad, but only the stats on the lvl 258 Items will bring even more dps. In the Optimal Gear & Item Discussion Thread was written, that T8-Content BiS Gear is maybe better than the T8 4pieces bonus.

another little thing...
[Reign of the Unliving] - strange it seems not possible for me to link it with the item code function...
It looks like the new TLC for me and could be a BiS Item i think
Trinket
Requires lvl80
Equip: increases spell power by 150
Equip: You gain an Mote of Flame each time you cause a damaging spell critical strike. When you reach 3 Motes, they will release, firing a Pillar of Flame for 1741 to 2023 damage. Mote of Flame cannot be gained more often than once every 2.5 sec.

dropped by Anub'arak-25man on PTR

sry for my bad english

Zimeron · 07/17/09, 2:51 PM

You can't link items on the ptr with the item tag. You have to use a direct link.

Reign of the Unliving

Also didn't the LC's value diminish greatly once they added in the cool down on the charges, similar to what this has?