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Old 08/27/09, 11:56 PM   #151
Eva
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Vashj (EU)
Edit: Too late; see above poster.

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Old 08/28/09, 12:36 PM   #152
Sawclaw
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Outland (EU)
So i guess it's time to ticket your elemental totem?
Since 400ap>200haste or?

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Old 08/28/09, 1:17 PM   #153
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by Sawclaw View Post
So i guess it's time to ticket your elemental totem?
Since 400ap>200haste or?
While 400 ap is better, 3.2.2 is at least a month away or two, so it seems the elemental is the correct totem for now.

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Old 08/28/09, 4:12 PM   #154
kariesw
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Orc Shaman
 
Laughing Skull (EU)
has anyone managed to change the "elemental" relic to the "enhance" relic now that it got buffed? I've had mine for 20 days and the GM pointed out u cant change it then

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Old 08/28/09, 8:05 PM   #155
Trollpriest
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I held back on these new totems since it was obvious that the enh one wasn't functioning as intended, hopefully we won't have to wait on 3.2.2 and they get it in there with any upcoming bug/hotfix to TOC. Well at least you'd hope so.


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has anyone managed to change the "elemental" relic to the "enhance" relic now that it got buffed? I've had mine for 20 days and the GM pointed out u cant change it then
You did know what you were buying in the first place, you'd have to be pretty lucky to get a GM willing to escalate these days with the new 'you have 2 hours to fix it if you made a mistake' system.

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Old 08/29/09, 3:38 AM   #156
Typeronin
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Originally Posted by kariesw View Post
has anyone managed to change the "elemental" relic to the "enhance" relic now that it got buffed? I've had mine for 20 days and the GM pointed out u cant change it then
It's not hotfixed, is it? I thought it was just in the patch notes for 3.2.2.

Until then, the ele totem is still better. Oh well, I play ele offspec anyways.

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Old 08/29/09, 3:03 PM   #157
Nighteyez07
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Orc Shaman
 
Dark Iron
Blizz will swap it out.

Blizzard will swap it out for you. I put in a GM ticket late last night asking them to swap me out and this morning, I had an email from a GM containing 25 Triumph badges. So even though I'll take a DPS loss for a short while, I'm picking up the Quaking Earth totem now.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:56 AM   #158
Raptor86
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Draenei Shaman
 
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I think that the +200ap buff for the totem ll come in about 2 month with patch 3.2.2 and until then the ele haste totem is MUCH better than the enh totem ...
So I do not really understand why u all pick the enhancer totem now (swap ele to enh totem) ...

Or have anyone some more info when the +200ap buff ll come ?

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And out of this I think 200haste are almost equal to 400ap ... And another point is that u use more often lb than ll ... so I think the 200haste totem is even better than the 400ap totem // maybe almost equal but not worse

/discuss ...

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Old 08/30/09, 1:11 PM   #159
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Originally Posted by Raptor86 View Post
I think that the +200ap buff for the totem ll come in about 2 month with patch 3.2.2 and until then the ele haste totem is MUCH better than the enh totem ...
So I do not really understand why u all pick the enhancer totem now (swap ele to enh totem) ...

Or have anyone some more info when the +200ap buff ll come ?

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And out of this I think 200haste are almost equal to 400ap ... And another point is that u use more often lb than ll ... so I think the 200haste totem is even better than the 400ap totem // maybe almost equal but not worse

/discuss ...
I agree that there isn't any real reason to swap out the totems until there's a more definitive patch date, but your logic behind the comparison isn't very sound. EP values will vary, and neither totem has an actual 100% uptime. Rouncer noted a page back that the elemental totem has an 85% uptime with 4piece T8 and the enhancement one has a 96% uptime. Those numbers come out to 170 haste vs 384 ap, which is a much bigger gap and essentially an extra socket. Another thing to remember is as you upgrade out of your T8 the uptime on the elemental totem will drop.

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Old 08/31/09, 1:53 PM   #160
rokshan
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Eredar (EU)
nothing important, but i just discovered a typo in the priority list:

at 9) it has to be

Maelstrom Weapon x 3 stacks- Chain Lighning instead of
Maelstrom Weapon x 3 stacks- Lightning Bolt

edit: or probably i just got it wrong and it is correct.. hmm. just wondered because of x3 before x4 does more dmg

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Old 08/31/09, 3:44 PM   #161
Axekilla
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Lothar
Rokshan. please read the whole thread before posting. it clearly states why CL was replaced with LB.

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Old 08/31/09, 6:00 PM   #162
Infuri
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Dalaran
I didn't see the answer to this anywhere in this thread or others, but I could be blind. If so, i'll delete it, but here's the question:

With the change to quaking earth to 400 AP, does our rotation now start with Lavalash to get the proc first then go to a normal priority system?

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Old 09/01/09, 3:24 AM   #163
Vespasian
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Updated

Apologies for the lack of updates lately; been quite busy.

A few notes:

1) Mjoed pointed out I was using flametongue totem instead of totem of wrath for the spell dmg buff. I have corrected this which results in a 90 DPS gain.

2) I took the work done by Mjoed and applied it to the basic parameters used for this thread, namely Tauren racials only. I was very surprised to see that the axes sim higher than the cudgels. It was my assumption, based on general anecdotal experience as well as consistent EP value calculations, that crit equates to more DPS when past the hit cap. Obviously this is not the case. I can only assume that hit does not scale in a linear fashion, and at this level provides slightly superior DPS vs. crit (axes provide roughly 12 DPS more than the cudgels). I am thinking this might have something to do with the increased ArP we have with this gear set, but did not test it in detail.

I did some playing around and found that Hit and Crit provide almost identical DPS until you hit about 550 Hit, when crit becomes better or when you fall below 420 Hit, where Hit becomes better. These are pure DPS benefit values, not EP values since any EP calculation I did consistently said that Crit was about .20 higher than Hit. I think this needs a lot more analysis as tbh, I cannot yet properly interpret the results.

TLDR: Hit is identical to, or better than, Crit at this amount of Hit in terms of DPS gained. This makes the Axes better than the Cudgels for all races.

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Old 09/01/09, 3:28 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Infuri View Post
I didn't see the answer to this anywhere in this thread or others, but I could be blind. If so, i'll delete it, but here's the question:

With the change to quaking earth to 400 AP, does our rotation now start with Lavalash to get the proc first then go to a normal priority system?
If Quaking Earth turns out to be superior DPS vs the Ele totem (which, mind you, has not been established yet) it is likely that our priority list would change. Likely your very first attack when you engage a target would be LL so that all subsequent attacks will benefit from the 400 AP bonus, but after that you would settle into your normal priority rotation. In addition, it is perhaps likely that LL will move up the priority list (it generally sits towards the bottom, after refreshing your shield/MT)

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Old 09/01/09, 4:12 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Vespasian View Post
If Quaking Earth turns out to be superior DPS vs the Ele totem (which, mind you, has not been established yet) it is likely that our priority list would change. Likely your very first attack when you engage a target would be LL so that all subsequent attacks will benefit from the 400 AP bonus, but after that you would settle into your normal priority rotation. In addition, it is perhaps likely that LL will move up the priority list (it generally sits towards the bottom, after refreshing your shield/MT)
Why would this change now? When (until recently obviously), everyone should have been using one of the Gladiator's totem of Indom? I usually open with a LL, and go to priority from there. This should have been the case previously for everyone.

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