Edit: Too late; see above poster.

While 400 ap is better, 3.2.2 is at least a month away or two, so it seems the elemental is the correct totem for now.

has anyone managed to change the "elemental" relic to the "enhance" relic now that it got buffed? I've had mine for 20 days and the GM pointed out u cant change it then

I held back on these new totems since it was obvious that the enh one wasn't functioning as intended, hopefully we won't have to wait on 3.2.2 and they get it in there with any upcoming bug/hotfix to TOC. Well at least you'd hope so.


You did know what you were buying in the first place, you'd have to be pretty lucky to get a GM willing to escalate these days with the new 'you have 2 hours to fix it if you made a mistake' system.

Blizzard will swap it out for you. I put in a GM ticket late last night asking them to swap me out and this morning, I had an email from a GM containing 25 Triumph badges. So even though I'll take a DPS loss for a short while, I'm picking up the Quaking Earth totem now.

I think that the +200ap buff for the totem ll come in about 2 month with patch 3.2.2 and until then the ele haste totem is MUCH better than the enh totem ...
So I do not really understand why u all pick the enhancer totem now (swap ele to enh totem) ...

Or have anyone some more info when the +200ap buff ll come ?

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And out of this I think 200haste are almost equal to 400ap ... And another point is that u use more often lb than ll ... so I think the 200haste totem is even better than the 400ap totem // maybe almost equal but not worse

/discuss ...

I agree that there isn't any real reason to swap out the totems until there's a more definitive patch date, but your logic behind the comparison isn't very sound. EP values will vary, and neither totem has an actual 100% uptime. Rouncer noted a page back that the elemental totem has an 85% uptime with 4piece T8 and the enhancement one has a 96% uptime. Those numbers come out to 170 haste vs 384 ap, which is a much bigger gap and essentially an extra socket. Another thing to remember is as you upgrade out of your T8 the uptime on the elemental totem will drop.

Rokshan. please read the whole thread before posting. it clearly states why CL was replaced with LB.

I didn't see the answer to this anywhere in this thread or others, but I could be blind. If so, i'll delete it, but here's the question:

With the change to quaking earth to 400 AP, does our rotation now start with Lavalash to get the proc first then go to a normal priority system?

Updated

Apologies for the lack of updates lately; been quite busy.

A few notes:

1) Mjoed pointed out I was using flametongue totem instead of totem of wrath for the spell dmg buff. I have corrected this which results in a 90 DPS gain.

2) I took the work done by Mjoed and applied it to the basic parameters used for this thread, namely Tauren racials only. I was very surprised to see that the axes sim higher than the cudgels. It was my assumption, based on general anecdotal experience as well as consistent EP value calculations, that crit equates to more DPS when past the hit cap. Obviously this is not the case. I can only assume that hit does not scale in a linear fashion, and at this level provides slightly superior DPS vs. crit (axes provide roughly 12 DPS more than the cudgels). I am thinking this might have something to do with the increased ArP we have with this gear set, but did not test it in detail.

I did some playing around and found that Hit and Crit provide almost identical DPS until you hit about 550 Hit, when crit becomes better or when you fall below 420 Hit, where Hit becomes better. These are pure DPS benefit values, not EP values since any EP calculation I did consistently said that Crit was about .20 higher than Hit. I think this needs a lot more analysis as tbh, I cannot yet properly interpret the results.

TLDR: Hit is identical to, or better than, Crit at this amount of Hit in terms of DPS gained. This makes the Axes better than the Cudgels for all races.

Why would this change now? When (until recently obviously), everyone should have been using one of the Gladiator's totem of Indom? I usually open with a LL, and go to priority from there. This should have been the case previously for everyone.