Originally Posted by rava
People are also under the assumption that talent multipliers affect the end result of the spell, but they affect the base. Look at fire nova totem for example, the tooltip reads 893-997, factor in the 15% from call of flame and you get 1026.95-1146.55. Look familiar to your ingame tooltip of 1026-1147?
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I think it's a perfectly valid assumption to make given that Call of Flame most definitely applies to the end result of the spell rather than just the base damage with at least Magma Totem.
I've just tested this on the PTR.
Here's what I did:
1) Made a pre-made level 80 Draenei Shaman.
2) Went to a level 60 dummy in Stormwind.
3) Removed all my gear and ensured I was untalented and was on 0 spellpower.
4) Auto-attacked the dummy to put myself in combat to ensure that Recount would show results.
5) Dropped a Magma Totem.
6) Using Recount I saw the min/max/average ticks of the Magma totem across it's 10 procs.
7) I then got out of combat and equipped 2302 spellpower (the default set you start with).
8) Cleared Recount, re-entered combat and dropped another Magma totem.
9) Recorded the new min/max/average at 2302 spellpower and 0/0/0 talents.
10) I then exited combat, removed my gear and specced 5 points into Convection and 3 points into Call of Flame.
11) At 0 spellpower again I re-entered combat and dropped another Magma totem.
12) Recorded the min/max/average of the ticks.
13) Exited combat, equipped 2302 spellpower and then re-entered combat and dropped another Magma Totem
14) Recorded the min/max/average etc.
Results:
At 0 spellpower and 0/0/0 spec the Magma Totem did 371 per tick. Exactly as per the tooltip.
At 2302 spellpower and 0/0/0 spec the Magma Totem did between 601 and 602 per tick non-crit and 901 and 902 crit.
(This btw gives a coefficient per tick of 0.1)
At 0 spellpower and 8/0/0 spec the Magma Totem did 426->427 per tick non-crit and 639->640 per tick crit.
At 2302 spellpower and 8/0/0 spec the Magma Totem did 691->692 non-crit and 1037 crit.
Analysis:
371 * 1.15 == 426.65.
i.e. We can definitely see that it's at least increasing the base damage by 15%.
601 * 1.15 == 691.15.
i.e. We can *also* see that it's not just boosting the base damage by 15% but *all* of the damage.
Conclusion:
Call of Flame, at least for Magma Totem boosts all of it's damage just as the tooltip would suggest, not just the base damage.
Now maybe Fire Nova is different (still need to test some of those things) but for Magma Totem at least, you are incorrect.