I thought about that, 1:1 with glove enchant active and 2:1 when it is not but I think the haste and crit influences on the DoT change the equation to the point where it would be worth sticking to a 1:1 ratio all the time.

On the PTR the tooltip for Flame Shock has the DoT lasting 14.3 seconds and 13.21 seconds with the glove enchant active. With a full stack of Furious, glove enchant and Wrath of Air active it's 11.99 seconds. So you are right about the perfect 1:1 ratio with the glove enchant active. The real question is about whether it is worth dropping down to a 2:1 ratio when it is not active. With a 5 stack of Furious and WoA active the DoT lasts 12.93 seconds which would be a tick every 2.16 seconds, so a perfect 1:1 ratio means you clip a single tick versus going 5 seconds without the DoT active. Considering the increase in the DoT's dps from the inclusion of haste and crit it seems like that is going to be a losing proposition compared to just clipping that last tick.

The real question here is going to be how much haste is necessary to hit the cut-off point between a 1:1 and a 1:2 ratio. Clipping just a single tick will require enough haste to get the dot duration around 14.3 seconds which would be 26% haste or 24% haste rating with WoA and Swift Retribution. Clipping a second tick should bring FS to roughly the same overall damage level as ES when you consider that the DoT ticks will be able to crit and a 1:1 ratio with 0 haste only clips 2 ticks. Meaning that there shouldn't be a time when it would be worth using a 1:2 ratio and people should just plan on using a 1:1 ratio no matter how much haste they have. If someone would like to confirm my conjecture with actual figures it would be appreciated.

The other question is the reworked Flame Shock glyph. 230% crit damage on Flame Shock DD and DoT portions sounds pretty nice but my napkin math is showing it as roughly half the dps value of Windfury glyph or Lightning Shield glyph. That napkin is pretty messy at this point though, so some real figures would be helpful.

Title of thread should be changed to 3.3.X, since we're now discussing 3.3.5 changes, but anyway:

Something to note is the changes to Imp Icy Talons to Frost DK's:
This might raise the possibility of freeing up 2 talent points to put elsewhere if you have a DPS Frost DK

Edit: Thanks, Razanar.

Why would you need a separate option? Just allocate the two points elsewhere, the % melée haste buff is unaffected by your talent spec in the sim, it's just under the buffs tab. As long as that says 20% you're fine

Just back after a week or so absence and some interesting stuff.

Indeed and with the 1:1 and 2:1 suggestions it may be that moving points around to Reverb with different haste levels produces more interesting and achievable levels of haste for more people with a 2:1 and some points in Reverb. Although its more likely we'd want to use it at the top end when the amount of haste with the various procs could take you less than 12 seconds and so moving the goalposts to 11.6 sec (ES+FS 1 pt Reverb) or 11.2 (ES+FS 2pt Reverb) may help.

BTW new version of ShockAndAwe v5.71 released tonight with LS_0 and MT_0 added. Not sure if I'll need to add anything for FS DoT bar shortening due to haste. Might just be safest to rely on the current CD value for the spark than varying the bar width.

Will this cause the bar to deplete quicker and have the same length? Or will it display as an unhasted FS would? I don't think changing the width is necessary. As long as it relays accurate information.

Please lets take those discussions to ShockAndAwe (formerly DisqoDice)

Glyph of Flame Shock
The current (for us) Glyph of Flame Shock does something like let Flame Shock crit at 230% damage. We'll try to get a new patch note up soon. Whatever it ends up as will probably be some relatively simple damage buff to replace the old crit buff.

Obviously subject to change but at first glance this glyph looks like it could eb a candidate for our 3rd glyph slot as FS starts becomming on of our higher damage abilities.

Also, can anyone on the PTR test whether FS tick crits proc ED? Do they with the current live glyph of flame shock?

I think the Frost DK's might get more dps out of the 6 points they can uninvest in Icy Talons and Improved Icy talons than we can get from the two points we would save from the improved WF totem.
If you do have a frost DK in your raid it is worth discussing it with them.

Currently on the PTR many things are buggy, like pets uncontrollable during CC and such.
There's a bug with the new passive Auras, they are stacking to some degree (Improved Icy Talons with our Totem, for example).
Interesting though is that the 10% AP auras stack, too, but won't give you any more than 15% increase stacked.
Given that there is a limit it might be a intentional change, though I don't think it is.

Is this right? What i mean is the dot portion of flame shock is 18 seconds long, so to reduce it down to a 1:1 ratio, the dot portion would need to be 12 seconds. So from 18 seconds to 12 seconds is roughly 33% spell haste? Is there some spell haste coefficient that i dont know about? Each tick occurs once every 3 seconds, and trimming that down to 2 seconds would push it to a 1:1 ratio, would it not?

I'm no where near as geared as Rouncer but my gear gives 20% spell haste, then totem of wrath is another 5% and swift retribution / improved moonkin? Am i missing something here? If so please let me know.

Seeing how hard LK heroic is, i reckon quite alot of people will go for heroic Black Bruise first. Now, my question is that would it be a dps upgrade to switch priority when necrotic plague procs? Say, bumping SS up over ES or SS_0 over FS? And if it would, would it be the same case with non-heroic Black Bruise?