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02/05/10, 11:23 PM
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#91
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Aluaa
Has anyone ran a setup with [Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder] ?
I haven't been simming for months, after getting a mac, but this is the only viable piece without crit it seems.
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I was messing around the that chest today. Using that chest, it allows you to equip double havoc's. After pretty much swaping out all of my hit/expertise gems, it simed out better than the current bis. 12347.14dps
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02/05/10, 11:49 PM
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#92
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sparks keep me warm
rava
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by leetnyn
I was messing around the that chest today. Using that chest, it allows you to equip double havoc's. After pretty much swaping out all of my hit/expertise gems, it simed out better than the current bis. 12347.14dps
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Do you mind posting the Rawr config? The highest DPS that I was able to get out of swapping in Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder/Havoc's call and changing around all of the gemming is 12282.
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Son, to me a robot's just a garbage can with sparks comin' out it.
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02/06/10, 2:40 AM
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#93
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Von Kaiser
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I can get to ~12324 using the Sack and dual Havoc's with this:

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PPM 63.94
efficiency 82.28%
flurry uptime 97.10%
unleashed rage uptime 100.00%
elemental devastation uptime 89.45%
mh enchant uptime 55.66%
oh enchant uptime 55.59%
stormstrike debuff uptime 81.65%
flame shock uptime 77.92%
lightning shield uptime 98.64%
magma totem uptime 63.45%
fire elemental uptime 28.58%
totem uptime 99.81%
ring proc uptime 16.56%
Set bonus uptimes:
Frost Witch's Battlegear 2 piece 25.97%
Frost Witch's Battlegear 4 piece 42.17%
MRPS without overregen
mana regen 0.00 0.00%
mp5 16.30 4.85%
replenishment 39.23 11.69%
unrelenting storm 0.00 0.00%
judgement of wisdom 110.25 32.85%
shamanistic rage 169.87 50.61%
mana potion 0.00 0.00%
misc 0.00 0.00%
stormstrike 0.00 0.00%
DPS PPM MPS
white 4391.42 35.63% 106.39
windfury 1528.93 12.41% 8.29
flametongue 1129.89 9.17% 73.56
stormstrike 596.36 4.84% 6.59 36.31 10.51%
lava lash 427.40 3.47% 6.66 18.34 5.31%
magma totem 469.79 3.81% 2.08 38.59 11.17%
earth shock 417.94 3.39% 4.85 60.09 17.40%
flame shock 257.61 2.09% 2.65 31.07 9.00%
lightning bolt 1340.09 10.87% 10.52 77.09 22.32%
fire nova 319.10 2.59% 5.17 78.33 22.68%
lightning shield 371.90 3.02% 1.27 0.00 0.00%
tiny abomination 215.90 1.75% 9.47
spirit wolves 382.39 3.1% 0.39 3.26 0.94%
fire elemental 476.16 3.86% 0.14 2.26 0.66%
melee 269.21 56.54% 4.57
fire shield 16.24 3.41% 5.64
fire nova 122.93 25.82% 2.29
fire blast 67.79 14.24% 2.36
DPS 12324.87
MPS 345.34
MP2min 41441.00
MRPS 534.62
Out of mana time 0.00%
elapsed simulation time: 5000.00h
elapsed real time: 25.80s
simulation speed: 697782x
Note that going directly from Rawr -> Enhsim and not using the Enhsim file may not give the same results. I started tweaking from an older BiS List then exported the stats to another file before C&P'ing them appropriately into the current BiS Enhsim Config for testing given that really they were all that was moving around.
There might be some sweet spot where going back towards hit starts producing additional increases but whenever I tried moving one or two haste gems back to hit things started going downhill.
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02/06/10, 3:31 AM
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#94
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sparks keep me warm
rava
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by davek
Note that going directly from Rawr -> Enhsim and not using the Enhsim file may not give the same results. I started tweaking from an older BiS List then exported the stats to another file before C&P'ing them appropriately into the current BiS Enhsim Config for testing given that really they were all that was moving around.
There might be some sweet spot where going back towards hit starts producing additional increases but whenever I tried moving one or two haste gems back to hit things started going downhill.
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I'm seeing the same results you are. Out of curiosity I swapped out the Accurate Ametrine for a Precise Cardinal Ruby(exceeding expertise cap by 6 instead of being under by 4) and swapped in a Pristine Ametrine to fill the gap and netted another 7-8 dps.
Swapping the Ametrines for King's Ambers in the axes would result in a higher simulated total, but at this point it's a fair assumption that the socket bonus will be some variant of 8 attack power(this pattern has been present from 232 weapons through 258), making the socket bonus a superior choice. I guess what I'm asking here is that people work under that assumption when proposing a new gear setup and avoid making nitpick gemming posts.
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Son, to me a robot's just a garbage can with sparks comin' out it.
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02/09/10, 12:45 PM
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Glass Joe
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Quick question Rava. Is the model you're using to simulate this BiS list on an Orc? If so, then using Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder seems to be a minor dps loss, over using Sanctified Frost Witch's Chestguard as part of the 4-piece bonus, with the gloves being [Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves] .
As I recall correctly, the previous max theoretical was 124xx, so this current configuration loses ~200 dps?
I know this might seem like a really "stupid" question..but I would like to know what about this set up sims out to be less dps, but is better?
Seems like a poor minmax :|
Edit: So I forgot how to subtract for a second, so the dps loss is ~100...but still dps loss is dps loss.
Last edited by Veilana : 02/09/10 at 12:51 PM.
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02/09/10, 1:05 PM
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#96
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No.
Iyosin
Troll Druid
No WoW Account
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The former setup was ~122xx, so this is an upgrade. Also, the model has always used a Tauren as the class, any changes that need to be made to the gear for your actual race should be done on your end.
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02/09/10, 6:16 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Veilana
Quick question Rava. Is the model you're using to simulate this BiS list on an Orc? If so, then using Ikfirus's Sack of Wonder seems to be a minor dps loss, over using Sanctified Frost Witch's Chestguard as part of the 4-piece bonus, with the gloves being [Anub'ar Stalker's Gloves] .
As I recall correctly, the previous max theoretical was 124xx, so this current configuration loses ~200 dps?
I know this might seem like a really "stupid" question..but I would like to know what about this set up sims out to be less dps, but is better?
Seems like a poor minmax :|
Edit: So I forgot how to subtract for a second, so the dps loss is ~100...but still dps loss is dps loss.
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As Aeolian said, it has always been a tauren. That is explicitly stated in the first post. Notice how we aren't including the best professions (which is debatable itself, I'd say JC/Engineering, but someone else will say JC/BS etc). On that note, you are probably right about not using the leather chest, but that is something that is for each person to decide based on the sim's data.
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02/09/10, 6:45 PM
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Deeper Shade of Blue
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Originally Posted by Lyska
On that note, you are probably right about not using the leather chest, but that is something that is for each person to decide based on the sim's data.
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Sim's data is wrong at the moment, all the crit cap findings were invalidated by a misinterpretation of the data so our BiS list will be changing significantly once the sim gets updated anyway. From what I can tell we will only need maybe 470 hit rating to offset the melee crit cap instead of the 618 in the current setup.
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02/09/10, 9:08 PM
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Von Kaiser
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As Rouncer said, there should be some rather big discrepancies at the moment in what the Enhsim is suggesting in some cases near the crit cap (like the BiS gear suggested in this thread) compared to what happens in reality.
But i posted to ask the original poster about the professions. Since the purpose of this thread is to find out BiS items, enchants and gems, shouldn't professions be included as well? We spend hundreds of golds on gems and whatnot, why exclude changing a profession to achieve maximum dps? Rerolling a profession might even be cheaper than regemming your whole gear.
Also i forgot to say thanks for your great work maintaining this thread. It's very much appreciated.
Last edited by bestpike : 02/09/10 at 9:15 PM.
Reason: thanks
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02/09/10, 9:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bestpike
As Rouncer said, there should be some rather big discrepancies at the moment in what the Enhsim is suggesting in some cases near the crit cap (like the BiS gear suggested in this thread) compared to what happens in reality.
But i posted to ask the original poster about the professions. Since the purpose of this thread is to find out BiS items, enchants and gems, shouldn't professions be included as well? We spend hundreds of golds on gems and whatnot, why exclude changing a profession to achieve maximum dps? Rerolling a profession might even be cheaper than regemming your whole gear.
Also i forgot to say thanks for your great work maintaining this thread. It's very much appreciated.
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Unless I can reroll a profession using only badges or honour points, I don't see how it can be cheaper than regemming...
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02/09/10, 11:04 PM
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#101
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sparks keep me warm
rava
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Right now I have no plans to change the professions from baseline. The best profession will vary with race, and if baseline professions aren't enough, then how is a baseline race going to be? Right now there are very minor adjustments to be made to account for different professions and races, if any. As of right now very small tweaks are to be made to account for my being an orc and having the racial available to me; basically two gems. The research that I've done into changing professions and race has little to no bearing on actual gear choices, only gemming and projected DPS total. If you can show me a significant change in gear from race to race and profession to profession then I would be more inclined to adjust the list.
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Son, to me a robot's just a garbage can with sparks comin' out it.
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02/11/10, 12:36 PM
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Deeper Shade of Blue
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EnhSim updated to 1.9.6.8 which adds a new option Bloodlust wolves on every summon (should be left off for purposes of this list but will be helpful for individuals who can coordinate lusts for all their wolf summons) and returns the melee crit cap to it's previous formula.
Took the liberty of playing with the setup and squeezed another 15 dps or so from the list after the changes. After the fix to the crit cap I was showing the current list at 13343. Setup attached showed 12358.
When exporting from Rawr it will throw an error but the config will still be imported correctly.
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02/11/10, 2:01 PM
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#103
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sparks keep me warm
rava
Tauren Shaman
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Rouncer
EnhSim updated to 1.9.6.8 which adds a new option Bloodlust wolves on every summon (should be left off for purposes of this list but will be helpful for individuals who can coordinate lusts for all their wolf summons) and returns the melee crit cap to it's previous formula.
Took the liberty of playing with the setup and squeezed another 15 dps or so from the list after the changes. After the fix to the crit cap I was showing the current list at 13343. Setup attached showed 12358.
When exporting from Rawr it will throw an error but the config will still be imported correctly.
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I'm actually showing higher results with both setups. I'm not sure if I'm doing something unintentional with the config, so if you could give what I post a once over to verify that I'm not being an idiot that would be appreciated. I tried out a few different setups including the Feb 6th list, yours, Dual-Bladed, and Anub'ar Stalker Gloves. Dual-Bladed came out really close to Anub'ar(3 DPS) after exceeding the crit cap by nearly 5% within rawr, where all of the other sheets are a static 3% over to yield the highest dps results.
Anyways, I'm showing 12400 DPS with Anub'ar. Due to sim differences between myself and Rouncer I'm attaching the config/output/rawr sheet for anyone that would be willing to double check my results. If you want to help out with it please PM me with the results, don't post "Yeah everything looks fine" or "Wow how did you mess this up" and clutter up the thread.
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Son, to me a robot's just a garbage can with sparks comin' out it.
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02/11/10, 2:22 PM
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#104
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Deeper Shade of Blue
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Use Bestpike's spreadsheet to calculate the crit cap as Rawr:Enhancement is still working off the now defunct 4.8% non-removable hit assumption. He has a link to an updated one at the end of the crit cap thread.
There is also an issue with how the sim is modeling the 4T10 bonus so expect the list to lose some dps there as well once it gets fixed. It is currently allowing Maelstrom Power procs when it refreshes MW at 5 stack so the uptime is roughly double what will be experienced in-game.
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02/13/10, 4:28 AM
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#105
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Glass Joe
Draenei Shaman
Doomhammer
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Hey Levva, This isn't really the right place to put this, but do you have intentions to add LS_0 and MT_0 to SAA's priority queue options?
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