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Old 12/07/07, 11:06 PM   #326
Filthie
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Bolche, to the ISB Uptime Simulator that you made, think you could add an option where you could add how many times it calculates it, and give an average % out of all those calculations ? You can add max time to it, but it still would become vastly more accurate if you could add max time and 1000x of it.

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Old 12/08/07, 3:29 AM   #327
Chimera
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Doomhammer
Originally Posted by Filthie View Post
Bolche, to the ISB Uptime Simulator that you made, think you could add an option where you could add how many times it calculates it, and give an average % out of all those calculations ? You can add max time to it, but it still would become vastly more accurate if you could add max time and 1000x of it.
There is no reason to do this. There is no mathematical difference between one trial that lasts for 100,000 seconds and 1000 trials that last for 100 seconds.

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Old 12/08/07, 3:01 PM   #328
PSGarak
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That is true for independent events. ISB uptime isn't quite independent, but its time horizon is small. So long as you ignore the ISB uptime on the first four shadowbolts there's no difference between one trial of 100,004 and 1000 of 104.


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Old 12/08/07, 4:37 PM   #329
Chimera
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Doomhammer
Originally Posted by PSGarak View Post
That is true for independent events. ISB uptime isn't quite independent, but its time horizon is small. So long as you ignore the ISB uptime on the first four shadowbolts there's no difference between one trial of 100,004 and 1000 of 104.
You're right, I worded that poorly, I should have said there is "no statistically significant difference," rather than "no mathematical difference."

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Old 12/08/07, 10:30 PM   #330
Altyera
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Human Warlock
 
Uldum
Yes, a very long simulation combined with a breakdown of "Personal ISB Uptime" for each warlock in the simulation would be helpful in determining the relative value of crit rating as it pertains to raid DPS.

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Old 12/09/07, 7:51 AM   #331
Bolche
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Gnome Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
1.17 changelog

As always, please repport any bug you may find !

* Correction : FG saccrifice grants 10% shadow damage bonus (was 15%)
* Added some comments on the common mp5 values
* Reordered the talent in order to match the talent order
* Added MSD Metagem to the Advanced tab
* Added Ashtongue ToS +dmg bonus to the Advanced tab
* Added Spellstrike 2/2 +dmg bonus to the Advanced tab
* DPS increase from your pet is now taken into account into the +dmg (all/fire/shadow) lines in "The Next Stat" section

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Old 12/09/07, 11:20 AM   #332
Filthie
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Tarren Mill (EU)
Hmm... i seem to get an error when i choose CoD or CoA as a curse. The others seem to work just fine. Pops up #NAME? in alot of cells

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Old 12/09/07, 12:37 PM   #333
 frmorrison
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I see the same problem, CoA and CoD's variable are be unassigned, change B42 and B43 to say coa_damage and cod_damage.

I you could fix the spell hit and crit value assignments. In-game the values are spell hit is 12.61 and spell crit is 22.08 (both go past 2 significant digits, so those are not 100% right either).


Thanks for the update, I changed MSD to pre-nerf, it was really overpowered, about 100 dps better than it is now (I had it equipped during the time, but I never understood how good it was).

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Old 12/09/07, 1:29 PM   #334
Bolche
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Gnome Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
CoA and CoD problem fixed and rating changed to 12.61 and 22.08, thanks !

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Old 12/10/07, 9:20 AM   #335
Gaborn
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Dun Modr (EU)
When using CSD Metagem option, crit_bonus value is 1.09 only if crits are 1.5xdamage. (no Ruin).
With 2xdamage crits (Ruin), crit_bonus is 1.06

in Advanced Options, D4 has to be
IF(B4="CSD";IF(ruin=0;1.09;1.06);1)

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Old 12/10/07, 1:49 PM   #336
Bolche
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Cho'gall (EU)
If Comments on wowhead are correct, with CSD crit are 154.5% without ruin, and 209% with ruin (instead of 150% and 200% obviously)

This is the formula I use for crits damage :
(1+(0,5+ruin*0,5)*crit_bonus)
with crit_bonus = 1.09 with CSD

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Old 12/10/07, 2:22 PM   #337
Gaborn
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Edit: It seems tests show that its not working as it should be and you get a 1.09 crit bonus from ruined crits. Weird but that's how it seems to work.

Last edited by Gaborn : 12/10/07 at 2:28 PM.

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Old 12/10/07, 7:32 PM   #338
Tayanita
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I really like the new ISB simulator.

Any chance a total calculation can be done showing how much extra damage is generated by ISB and an average of how much damage is generated by a single SB crit?

EDIT: Ridiculous request. no spell damage fields. I spoke too soon, my apologies.

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Old 12/14/07, 7:24 PM   #339
Latus
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Gnome Warlock
 
Cenarius
so if you select one for demonic sacrifice im guessing that its assuming you are sacing your pet every time?

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Old 12/16/07, 12:14 PM   #340
Krazen
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Blood Elf Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Bolche View Post
Due to a lot of requests, I release the 1.16 a little sooner than planned.

Here is the changelog :

* Corrected a bug in "The Next Stat" section when using wand filler (wahoo, how did I noticed that !)
* Added Demonic Knowledge, Demonic Embrace, Fel Intellect and Fel Stamina to the item compare tab.
* Added an "Advanced Option" tab where you can found various options like meta and set bonus. Currently :
o CSD Metagem : (+12 Spell Critical) & 3% Increased Critical Damage
o Tier 6 4/5 bonus : Increases the damage dealt by your Shadow Bolt and Incinerate abilities by 6%.
o Tier 4 4/5 bonus : Increases the duration of your Corruption and Immolate abilities by 3 sec.
o Tier 4 2/5 bonus : Your shadow/fire damage spells chance to grant 135 +shadow/+fire damage for 15 sec


A lot of trinket / set bonus will be added very soon, in particular :
MSD metagem, Tier 5 4/5 bonus, Ashtongue Talisman of Shadows, spellstrike.

If you have any request / suggestion, please let me know !


edit : thanks Apoq for your additions, I'll look at them to see it we get the same results for CSD and T6 4/5 bonus
Having an error with the Tier 4 2/5 bonus. The option is available, but when I select it, there is no increase in my DPS.

By contrast, when I select the Tier 6 4/5 bonus, my DPS goes up by about 70.

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Old 12/16/07, 1:27 PM   #341
Arnath
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Tichondrius
Originally Posted by Latus View Post
so if you select one for demonic sacrifice im guessing that its assuming you are sacing your pet every time?
I believe that's how it works, yeah.

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Old 12/16/07, 5:19 PM   #342
Trickykid
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Gnome Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Krazen View Post
Having an error with the Tier 4 2/5 bonus. The option is available, but when I select it, there is no increase in my DPS.

By contrast, when I select the Tier 6 4/5 bonus, my DPS goes up by about 70.
Read the notes on that page where it says some of those bonuses you will need to add manually.

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Old 12/16/07, 8:12 PM   #343
Krazen
Don Flamenco
 
Blood Elf Warlock
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by Trickykid View Post
Read the notes on that page where it says some of those bonuses you will need to add manually.
Doh. Thanks a bunch.

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Old 12/20/07, 2:38 PM   #344
ShagoY
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Human Warlock
 
Archimonde (EU)
Hi

It's not my addon..

Pawn :
Pawn assesses the value of items for you to make it easy to decide which items are better than others. It's similar in purpose to mods such as Tank Points, but completely customizable, and applicable to any class and situation. You can use it to help create multiple gear sets, or decide whether to take that weapon with higher DPS or the one with more crit rating, or decide between a necklace with MP5 and one with bonus healing.

Pawn is a mod for hardcore World of Warcraft players—you may not like it if you're not the sort of person who agonizes over stats and itemization. You can use premade Pawn "scale tags" that other people make and post on forums to set up Pawn for your spec without any extra effort. And, if you're the kind of person who goes through Wowhead and Lootzor looking for exactly the items you want for your gear sets, builds Excel spreadsheets, installs TheoryCraft, reads Elitist Jerks... well, Pawn might just be right up your alley.
Downloads

Pawn Addon Forum :: View topic - Warlock Scales

(Pawn: v1: "Warlock: Ruin": Intellect=0.4, SpellCritRating=0.7, SpellHitRating=0.5, Spirit=0.1, YellowSocket=5.5, MetaSocket=12, Health=0.085, SpellPower=1, ShadowSpellDamage=0.95, RedSocket=7.4, SpellPenetration=0.1, BlueSocket=7.4, Stamina=0.85 )
(Pawn: v1: "Warlock: No Ruin": Intellect=0.4, SpellCritRating=0.5, SpellHitRating=0.5, Spirit=0.1, YellowSocket=5.5, MetaSocket=12, Health=0.085, SpellPower=1, ShadowSpellDamage=0.95, RedSocket=7.4, SpellPenetration=0.1, BlueSocket=7.4, Stamina=0.85 )
Someone will be convert this to destruc Warlock ?

Last edited by ShagoY : 12/20/07 at 2:56 PM.

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Old 12/20/07, 7:07 PM   #345
 frmorrison
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For 21/40 builds
Intellect=0.25, SpellCritRating=0.85, SpellHitRating=1.3, Spirit=0.1, YellowSocket=5.5, MetaSocket=12, Health=0.085, SpellPower=1, ShadowSpellDamage=1, RedSocket=7.4, SpellPenetration=0, BlueSocket=7.4, Stamina=0.05, SpellHasteRating=1

For UA builds
Intellect=0.15, SpellCritRating=0.44, SpellHitRating=1.1, Spirit=0.1, YellowSocket=5.5, MetaSocket=12, Health=0.085, SpellPower=1, ShadowSpellDamage=0.95, RedSocket=7.4, SpellPenetration=0, BlueSocket=7.4, Stamina=0.02, SpellHasteRating=0.8

You can get your gear specific pawn values from the Warlock spreadsheet, but at least those numbers are more realistic than the ones you posted. Also spell hit changes value as you reach the cap (it is worth zero at 202 rating, but before then the value is mostly static).

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Old 12/22/07, 10:01 PM   #346
Arnath
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Undead Warlock
 
Tichondrius
Why is a yellow socket worth less than a red one (and yet a blue socket is worth the same as a red one)?

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Old 12/23/07, 1:10 AM   #347
PSGarak
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Hyjal
The yellow socket probably assumes that the gem is crit, not hit, because you're at the hit-cap. It should probably be piece-wise just the same way hit rating is. The blue socket is either anomolous, or assuming you ignore the color in favor of a red gem.


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Old 12/23/07, 1:59 AM   #348
 frmorrison
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Originally Posted by PSGarak View Post
assuming you ignore the color in favor of a red gem.
This.

However there are reasons to use blue gems (to meet a meta bonus) or a good socket bonus such as the one on the BoJ gloves.


Anyway, looks like I should update my Pawn values for sockets, those aren't exactly right, plus the meta is value is lower than it should be (either MSD or CSD are great).

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Old 01/02/08, 9:25 AM   #349
Bolche
Piston Honda
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Cho'gall (EU)
Small update after reading the compendium :

1.18
- Added the "OOM Time" option to the life tap frequency


I'm working hard on the "Raid ISB" tab and I hope to release it in a week or two.

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Old 01/02/08, 12:22 PM   #350
Crepe
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Gnome Warlock
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by Bolche View Post
Small update after reading the compendium :

1.18
- Added the "OOM Time" option to the life tap frequency

I'm working hard on the "Raid ISB" tab and I hope to release it in a week or two.
Your hard work on this is much appreciated, Leulier.

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