4.0 Pre-Cataclysm Raiding - Page 10

Jalamar · 10/15/10, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Darthpred

I can feel that is not hotfixed for me right now on the dummy. Still x2 damage below 25%.

This was wierd, I did 3x dmg below 25, but when I swaped to other dummy i did 2x dmg with drain soul, so yeh defo waiting for hotfix

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 9:55 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Drain Soul gains ticks but keeps (roughly) the same duration, the same way dots do. So your full channel time will fluctuate between 14 and 16 seconds, depending on your exact haste.

Thanks a lot. I thought channeled spells have a difference from dots in this aspect.
Made more experiments with haste after your post. Channeled time really fluctuates in 14-16.2 seconds interval. Got 16.2 channeled time at 10% haste. But it seems that fluctuation begins to lower its amplitude after 1400 or so haste rating approaching the asymptote at something around 14.3-14.4 sec. Please correct me if it's something wrong in this.

Originally Posted by Jalamar

This was wierd, I did 3x dmg below 25, but when I swaped to other dummy i did 2x dmg with drain soul, so yeh defo waiting for hotfix

I begin to suspect that this nerf was planned due to very large DS crits

Jalamar · 10/15/10, 10:22 AM

Well, it does feel wierd. I am pretty sure I first crited for 15k and than for 10k(obv, on another dummy).But yeah, nerfs are expected tbh, dmg is just over the top.

TommiHelm · 10/15/10, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jalamar

This was wierd, I did 3x dmg below 25, but when I swaped to other dummy i did 2x dmg with drain soul, so yeh defo waiting for hotfix

Are you sure you didn't swap to a target dummy that has a 30% damage reduction. The ones in AT-grounds that have "Defend". Not sure how the damage reduction on those is calculated, but I'm getting about 2,11x multiplier on Drain Soul below 25% on those.

On the Melee Target dummies I'm getting a 2,7x multiplier below 25%. Which I think it's ok, cause last night I was doing 5k more DPS in burn-pose (<25%) as Affliction compared to Demonology. Now they are pretty equal.

Jalamar · 10/15/10, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by TommiHelm

Are you sure you didn't swap to a target dummy that has a 30% damage reduction. The ones in AT-grounds that have "Defend". Not sure how the damage reduction on those is calculated, but I'm getting about 2,11x multiplier on Drain Soul below 25% on those.

On the Melee Target dummies I'm getting a 2,7x multiplier below 25%. Which I think it's ok, cause last night I was doing 5k more DPS in burn-pose (<25%) as Affliction compared to Demonology. Now they are pretty equal.

Pretty sure I didn't do that, but It was prolly due my trinks procing on the 3nd drain soul (1 drain soul @ 100%, 2nd @ 25%, 3rd and 4th on 2nd target), but having the dmg for the 4th. But yeah it makes sence us geting nerfed.

TommiHelm · 10/15/10, 11:29 AM

Good point, I should have done it naked to ofc. Naked I'm getting 2,126 modifier on 4 different dummies.

Calidus · 10/15/10, 12:25 PM

shadowburn in a PvE looks interesting because of the opportunity to refresh all 3 soulshards. 6 of the 12 encounters in ICC have adds that could be shadowburned. As Destro that would give more instant soulfire and more up time on the improved soulfire haste buff. Dropping the last point out of Nether Prot wouldn't have any dps loss, and the survivability difference would be minimal.

EDIT: TYPO SOULBURN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHADOWBURN

wynlyndd · 10/15/10, 2:12 PM

If one is above hit cap with just gear, what is the most appropriate blue/purple gem to use in order to activate the meta? Or does one have a link to the new gem stats?

I haven't found a list of the new gem patterns yet.

Saufsoldat · 10/15/10, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Calidus

As Destro that would give more instant soulfire and more up time on the improved soulfire haste buff.

I thought we'd keep up Improved Soul Fire at all times, regardless of whether Soul Fire is instant or not.

Experiment · 10/15/10, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Darthpred

On Sindragosa you mean destroying the tombs? I just can't imagine any other use of it there.
In LK fight on Vile Spirits phase i'll need a test of damage with SB and just spaming SoC to every mob under my mouse. Just have the feeling of spaming to be more effective.

I'm fairly sure the idea is to use the SB Soc on the first hit, so that all the targets get splashed with the Corr DoT, and then you keep your focus on one or two targets without Corr and the clickfest that is SoC spam, just requires a bit more thinking. I'm not sure at what point it would balance out, but from a logic standpoint it seems like the DoT plus an AoE that can cap is more rewarding than just an AoE that can cap. It depend son how long they live though.

It requires picking a good targeti and staying with it and a single GCD...and returns the Shard if done right, seems worth devoting a point in some cases.

• Nicarras · 10/15/10, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by wynlyndd

If one is above hit cap with just gear, what is the most appropriate blue/purple gem to use in order to activate the meta? Or does one have a link to the new gem stats?

I haven't found a list of the new gem patterns yet.

Any of the int ones work, there isn't a great one yet. Int/spi I suppose would be the 'best', int/sta is the other alternative.

Jalamar · 10/15/10, 2:24 PM

Btw, did someone check whats the best way of handleing the valks @ LKHC as lock? Afaik demo is the best way to aoe'em down, assuming you can stay with the group(Felguard bladestorm is quite powerful), but I'v been thinking dotingall the valks with UA/BoA as they spawn, and than just Soul burn and soc spam the boss. Can someone share some thoughts on the matter(backed up by personal exprience on the fight if possible)?

Nokwar · 10/15/10, 2:42 PM

Originally Posted by wynlyndd

If one is above hit cap with just gear, what is the most appropriate blue/purple gem to use in order to activate the meta? Or does one have a link to the new gem stats?

I haven't found a list of the new gem patterns yet.

i just used the int/hit gems and reforged any surplus hit to haste/mastery.
Seemed to me to be the smartest way to cap.

Int/Spi when we don't benefit from Spi is a waste and Int/Sta is not a "real" alternative.

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 4:22 PM

Originally Posted by Experiment

I'm fairly sure the idea is to use the SB Soc on the first hit, so that all the targets get splashed with the Corr DoT, and then you keep your focus on one or two targets without Corr and the clickfest that is SoC spam, just requires a bit more thinking. I'm not sure at what point it would balance out, but from a logic standpoint it seems like the DoT plus an AoE that can cap is more rewarding than just an AoE that can cap. It depend son how long they live though.

It requires picking a good targeti and staying with it and a single GCD...and returns the Shard if done right, seems worth devoting a point in some cases.

That's it. Thanks for detailed explaining. My reflexes and habit just make me automatically cast SoC to every target I see. I'll definitely try this on my next meeting with LK.

Desdemonique · 10/15/10, 4:23 PM

Originally Posted by Calidus

Soulburn in a PvE looks interesting because of the opportunity to refresh all 3 soulshards. 6 of the 12 encounters in ICC have adds that could be soulburned. As Destro that would give more instant soulfire and more up time on the improved soulfire haste buff. Dropping the last point out of Nether Prot wouldn't have any dps loss, and the survivability difference would be minimal.

I think you meant Shadowburn...

Also, I'm curious as to what your current spec is that you mentioned dropping a point out of Nether Prot. in order to pick it up? My spec already has it, and I'm pretty sure the example spec Warloco listed has it, too.