4.0 Pre-Cataclysm Raiding - Page 7

calderstrake · 10/14/10, 8:30 AM

The major changes I noticed in our raid last night were:

We only need to Life Tap once per 4-5 rotations on Haunt/UA. Since we don't need to worry about the buff from GoLT anymore, this is a welcome change. Add in the fact that Life Tap now returns more mana (untalented) you shouldn't need to cast it more than 4 times to get back to full mana.

Pandemic refreshes UA when using DS on targets <25%. This was a surprise to me since I didn't read the new spell description. I understand the underlying idea to simplify rotations, but this makes it a bit more cumbersome since you will need a different rotation <25%. This also begs the question, how are the ticks affected if UA and BoA are constantly refreshed to the first tick?

Tromar · 10/14/10, 8:53 AM

Originally Posted by MoonZapdos

Sorry if I'm missing the point here, but I really feel the need to ask this.
Won't the fact that Shadowflame has suddenly been injected into our rotations mean that we potentially endanger ourselves by going into melee range just to use it? Also won't the time it takes you moving from long range to short range imply a loss in DPS?
I really don't see why it should be employed outside PvP. Please shed some enlightment on this.

Just like with immolation aura, if the encounter allows it we should try to get in melee range, otherwise we stay at range and suffer a little dps loss.

Talimar · 10/14/10, 8:54 AM

Originally Posted by Jalamar

1. Is it better to spam something else durning heroic/bloodlust, since well inci is way below GCD cap with BD up
2. Is glyph of chaos bolt any good?
Anyone tested any of these?

1. Probably not, soulfire isn't affected by backdraft and that would be the only thing with a higher casttime. Maybe when we get the soulfire haste buff all fight long that is in the beta we can think about using soulfire during heroism.

2. Less dmg and longer cooldown than glyph of conflag.

Herrm · 10/14/10, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by Martyzzz

And last did anyone come across a working addon than can keep track of the improved soulfire buff ?

ClassTimer works for this. You just need to setup a custom timer, which takes all of 2 seconds, literally. If you need help with doing this, private message me.

Coconutman · 10/14/10, 9:45 AM

Scale Factors:

Hit=5.3524
Haste=3.9483
Int=3.7758
Mastery=2.9521
SP=2.7586
Crit=2.0964

Given the scale factors from SimulationCraft for destro locks shouldn't destro be reforging to Haste and geming 20 haste in yellow sockets vs 10int 10haste gems? Also if these factors are accurate black magic may out perform spell power for weapon enchants.

Krasher · 10/14/10, 10:12 AM

On this reboot Demo just took a 2k DPS hit on heroic dummy. Not sure what they did since I can't see any spells doing noticably less damage...

EDIT: This might just be a recount error regarding pets. Trying to figure it out.

Crakker · 10/14/10, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Coconutman

Scale Factors:

Hit=5.3524
Haste=3.9483
Int=3.7758
Mastery=2.9521
SP=2.7586
Crit=2.0964

Given the scale factors from SimulationCraft for destro locks shouldn't destro be reforging to Haste and geming 20 haste in yellow sockets vs 10int 10haste gems? Also if these factors are accurate black magic may out perform spell power for weapon enchants.

It would appear that 10 Int / 10 Haste > 20 Haste for Aff/Destro, and 20 Haste > 10 Int /10 Haste for Demo. I went back to Black Magic last night as well, since Haste >= SP in all specs.

I've started out with Affliction this patch and I'm really liking the new mechanics. I have some questions about guardian pets if anyone can answer. How do they work with BL/Heroism? Do I need to have the pet out before BL/Heroism is cast for it to gain benefits or do they at all? Do they benefit from Mastery %'s? I'm going to study up on them, but this information would be a good addition to the OP once we get all the answerer.

Thanks as always to Warlocomotif for starting this up.

Herrm · 10/14/10, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by Krasher

On this reboot Demo just took a 2k DPS hit on heroic dummy. Not sure what they did since I can't see any spells doing noticably less damage...

I haven't noticed any difference on the heroic dummy since the restart, still doing right around 12.5k (as Destro) self buffed, which is right where I was pre-server-restart.

*EDIT*

I should add that I've never used the SP rotation because I knew it wasn't going to last, hence the reason my DPS is the same.

Krasher · 10/14/10, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Herrm

I haven't noticed any difference on the heroic dummy since the restart, still doing right around 12.5k (as Destro) self buffed, which is right where I was pre-server-restart.

Yeah I edited my post sorry for the confusion, Recount is definitely not consolidating pets correctly right now for me, I just can't make out for sure if it's a plus or minus or if it's an error on my end and unrelated to recount...

Coconutman · 10/14/10, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Crakker

It would appear that 10 Int / 10 Haste > 20 Haste for Aff/Destro, and 20 Haste > 10 Int /10 Haste for Demo.

It would "appear"? How so? Please clarify.

Krasher · 10/14/10, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Hybr1d

Is demon back to the old dps, or below what it used to be?

I tried Skada and it showed me at about the same as pre-reboot DPS so I'd bet it's a recount thing at present and nothing with Demo was changed. Weird though.

Tenebrarum from hell · 10/14/10, 11:27 AM

First of all I would like to thank Warlocomotif for the great post and the answer to my question about the the best opening cast sequence for affliction ? Yes I think so too,
Corr->UA->BoA->Haunt is the best opening sequence . So I have the same question about destruction:
What is the best opening cast sequence for destruction??
And 1 more question >50% life you have to use Searing Pain (I think is nerfed from yesterday) and no more incinerate ? Or incinerate still have the best? Thanks!

Herrm · 10/14/10, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Crakker

I have some questions about guardian pets if anyone can answer. How do they work with BL/Heroism? Do I need to have the pet out before BL/Heroism is cast for it to gain benefits or do they at all?

Disclaimer: I've only done a very basic/limited/quick test due to time constraints (being at work right now), but the basic results were:

Attempt 1 (Doomguard out before Bloodlust was used): 20 Doom Bolt's cast (12 hit, 8 crit)
Attempt 2 (Doomguard out 2 seconds after Bloodlust was used): 19 Doom Bolt's cast (10 hit, 9 crit)
Attempt 3 (like Attempt 1, Doomguard out before Bloodlust was used): 16 Doom Bolt's cast (8 hit, 8 crit)

Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the results, hopefully some other people will get a chance to do a few tests as well.

Also, unlike the Imp, who does visibly get the Bloodlust buff (and debuff), the Doomguard didn't.

eredor · 10/14/10, 12:31 PM

Do you have a special strategy /placement for hand of Guldan?
Using the priority list I'm having a hard time refreshing immolate with it.

Also is the new demonology AOE hellfire when immolation aura is not up? what about cleaving and such?

Imoryn · 10/14/10, 2:18 PM

Does anyone know what addon is keeping track of spell/buff/dot/cd timers in this video?

YouTube - WoW 4.0.1 Destruction Warlock DPS Rotation by Raisa (destruction warlock patch 4.0) 2/3/31