4.0 Pre-Cataclysm Raiding - Page 9

zinnin · 10/14/10, 7:49 PM

From what I can tell drain soul doesn't refresh its damage the way dots do, so it is possible to eek out a bit more dps if you cast drain soul right as a trinket is ending to keep the effect for longer.

Warlocomotif · 10/14/10, 8:10 PM

Doomguard vs Infernal; Currently the doomguard is mildly syupid. He''ll wait and do nothing for a short period of time every few casts. Unfortunately this makes it hard to really say which is better. For multi-target purposes it's simple (The infernal), for single target purposes it can go either way.

No- stacking shadow embrace before applying dots is a bad idea. Getting 5 or so extra low dot ticks is better than getting 2 or 3 ticks doing 15% extra damage.

Yes if no one else can provide the crit debuff you should, the reason it's not in the OP is because it should be common sense. If I'd wanted to include every basic thing in the OP I would've had to write a 3 times bigger post with only 5% extra information.

elhoff01 · 10/14/10, 11:35 PM

For destruction warlocks, if we are already hit capped do we use only intellect blue gems, and haste/int gems in all other sockets? I noticed you had stated this for affliction warlocks but not for the destruction ones.

P.S. Thanks for the guide.

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 2:12 AM

Originally Posted by Struggle

That and Demon Soul. :P

Nearly forgot about it, thanks. Yes, Demon Soul ups felhunter sooooo much

Originally Posted by TommiHelm

Trying Demo and Aff. on the Melee target dummy in Argent Tournament ground (so I get the below 25% rotation) I'm doing almost 5k more dps as Aff. compared to Demo(15-16k vs 10-11k). Is this really normal or am I doing something horribly wrong as Demo? I'm following the priority list in the OP.

As Ghostcrawler said recently:

Affliction Warlocks – we lowered the damage of Drain Soul slightly.

I guess it was made to bring DPS to same levels but your differences are frightening. I noticed only ~300 DPS decrease in Aff from that change for ICC normal gear. So it seems something wrong or it's just unbalanced 80 lvl problem.

Another important question was asked before (even twice

)

Originally Posted by CronoFire

Ok I have a question about the affliction build. For the last few points (I know it won't make much of a difference when Cata comes out), but for the last 5 points that go into the Destruction tree why not top off Shadow and Flame to make Shadow Bolt do more damage rather than doing Bane and making it cast faster (esp with reforging all crit to haste and mastery)?

I'm the only one in my raid now who can apply this debuff and I want to know if it is worth to switch points to rise the chance for it (besides of the fact that my personal DPS is a little higher with 100% applying chance

).
The 33% less in 1 talent point makes me mad during tests and instance runs. Sometimes I have to cast 4+ SB in a row to apply the 5% crit debuff

And again to the question of pets and glyphs

Originally Posted by awa64

Succubus is best Pet DPS for Affliction with Glyph of Lash of Pain... but would Felhunter allow for better overall DPS by replacing Glyph of Lash of Pain with Glyph of Corruption?

On finishing phase test today I got 700 DPS higher results with succubus+Lash glyph even with 3 times less Nightfall procs. Close results for the full HP boss level dummy.Felhunter is really too weak now for lvl 80

• Zakalwe · 10/15/10, 3:28 AM

I'm wondering if this is a bug with my character or something, since no one else has reported it yet, but my Drain Soul is currently doing only 2x damage below 25% on live. This makes it only marginally better than continuing your regular rotation below 25%. Hopefully this is unintentional.

MiwaER · 10/15/10, 3:34 AM

Spec
Affliction

Issue
I am trying to save one point to invest in Soulburn: Seed of Corruption.

Assumption to be verified
The Pandemic effect to renew UA is checked on each Drain Soul tick.

Talent Tree with Soulburn: Seed of Corruption
If the Assumption is verified, 1/2 Pandemic is enough to have Drain Soul properly renew UA. The following tree should solve the Issue.
WoW Talent Calculator - Sigrie

Any help?

Berthold · 10/15/10, 4:25 AM

you can just do one point in pandemic and (with decent haste) still have GCD capped banes/curses. DS also refreshes UA, but it's not that unlikely to fall off now and then: UA has 12 secs left, meanwhile DS ticks, lets say every 2.5 secs, so with 1-(0.5^4)=6.25% it will fall off, and for me that's just a pain in the.. and likely also a significant dps loss.
Instead, I suggest moving one point from nightfall to SB:SoE as it is and has always been a mediocre talent.
Maybe someone with a working simcraft version can verify my guesses.

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 6:31 AM

Is SB:SoC so useful now anyway? I don't see lots of opportunities to use it. Saurfang adds, LK's Vile Spirits (but regular SoC is better to kill them), Valithria. Is it so important to take this talent just for three fights?

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I'm wondering if this is a bug with my character or something, since no one else has reported it yet, but my Drain Soul is currently doing only 2x damage below 25% on live. This makes it only marginally better than continuing your regular rotation below 25%. Hopefully this is unintentional.

Didn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing to it. It really hits only 2 times normal damage below 25% on live.
But not using it is significant DPS loss. I've lost 1k DPS on finishing phase when didn't change rotation from regular to DS casting. So even with x2 multiplier DS still worth it.

Berthold · 10/15/10, 6:48 AM

SB:SoC can be used in Deathwisper/Saurfang/Dreamwalker/Sindragosa/LK (vile spirits, Valkyr). So you gain a lot more AoE dmg on some of the toughest encounters in ICC for 2% less nightfalls.

About the DS ticks.. Yesterday I had a 60k DS crit so the nerf can't be that hard.. or maybe they just bumped the normal damage..

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 7:21 AM

On Sindragosa you mean destroying the tombs? I just can't imagine any other use of it there.
In LK fight on Vile Spirits phase i'll need a test of damage with SB and just spaming SoC to every mob under my mouse. Just have the feeling of spaming to be more effective. Or maybe someone already has the sim to be sure.
On other things yes I must admit it was my mistake. Never been on Deathwisper/Saurfang/Dreamwalker as an Aff more as Destro.

Continuing about DS. Try to test it today. This mourning I got testing DS without aff effects on target at 2.8k over 25% and just 5.8k below. Really a 2.071 multiplier instead of 4. Hope this will be fixed or they'll just change the tooltip. First is better of course

Krasher · 10/15/10, 7:27 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I'm wondering if this is a bug with my character or something, since no one else has reported it yet, but my Drain Soul is currently doing only 2x damage below 25% on live. This makes it only marginally better than continuing your regular rotation below 25%. Hopefully this is unintentional.

They seem to have hotfixed this mid-raid for us yesterday. Granted it was doing some pretty ridiculous damage, as you can see from fellow guilld warlock Ppk's average DS crits on Rotface:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

On Professor Putricide he was down to 37k-ish which might have been too big a nerf but I'd say 100k crits on Drain Soul is a tad over the top.

Darthpred · 10/15/10, 8:16 AM

Originally Posted by Krasher

They seem to have hotfixed this mid-raid for us yesterday.

I can feel that is not hotfixed for me right now on the dummy. Still x2 damage below 25%.
And here comes one more interesting fact.
DS base channel time is 15 sec. With my 1085 haste channeled time is... 15.8 seconds. With Eradication proc it has returned to 15 sec. Some kind of negative scaling from haste on gear here.
Can anyone check this? I'm not the only person here who has same bug.

Manny · 10/15/10, 8:16 AM

After fidgeting with stats a little, it appears as though IDS is better than most of the int trinkets due to the spell power conversion.

Using a talisman of resurgence is a 135 spell power increase over no trinket (from the 128 int), and IDS grants 200 at full stacks. Seeing as you can now life tap to full with 3 taps, it's not really necessary to have the extra mana imo.

Just some food for thought.

Krasher · 10/15/10, 8:33 AM

Originally Posted by Darthpred

I can feel that is not hotfixed for me right now on the dummy. Still x2 damage below 25%.
And here comes one more interesting fact.
DS base channel time is 15 sec. With my 1085 haste channeled time is... 15.8 seconds. With Eradication proc it has returned to 15 sec. Some kind of negative scaling from haste on gear here.
Can anyone check this? I'm not the only person here who has same bug.

Sorry I guess I should have used "hot-NERFED", but yeah that sounds about right.

• Zakalwe · 10/15/10, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by Darthpred

DS base channel time is 15 sec. With my 1085 haste channeled time is... 15.8 seconds. With Eradication proc it has returned to 15 sec. Some kind of negative scaling from haste on gear here.
Can anyone check this? I'm not the only person here who has same bug.

Drain Soul gains ticks but keeps (roughly) the same duration, the same way dots do. So your full channel time will fluctuate between 14 and 16 seconds, depending on your exact haste.