SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Cataclysm Edition) - Page 10

Berthold · 12/31/10, 9:41 AM

Hi Flamingcloud,

if you feel that using only 60% of the rating gives a more meaningful ranking, feel free to copy my spreadsheet and do that.

On the topic of Heart of Ignacious. I did not expect it to stack while the haste effect is running, but that would indeed increase its value a lot. I changed it, and now it comes out second or third depending on the scalefactors. Thanks for that information. And I agree on your benefits of on Use trinkets, but that's always hard to model :-)

The proc rates are correctly modelled, the "estimated time until proc" factors in the proc rate.

Doctor · 12/31/10, 12:18 PM

Something worth looking at is if the procs from Darkmoon card: Volcano, and the Stump of Time trinkets can stack. Both would be considered in the top BiS trinkets, but you'd be doing yourself no favors if the effects cannot stack. Unfortunately, it looks like something that will only be discovered following the upcoming Darkmoon Faire.

marky111 · 12/31/10, 4:20 PM

Of course, they do stack. As all trinket proccs do.

Jaynen · 01/01/11, 2:47 PM

Does the OP need to be updated specs wise? Why would the AffDrain spec have 1pt in dark arts if they are using the Succubus with lash of pain? Or did I miss something there?

Miril · 01/02/11, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by Jaynen

Does the OP need to be updated specs wise? Why would the AffDrain spec have 1pt in dark arts if they are using the Succubus with lash of pain? Or did I miss something there?

Perhaps it is a relic from trying out using the felhunter for the benefits of Demon Soul. It should probably be moved.

If the felhunter/DS:Felhunter option was tested by the OP (or whoever) I'd be curious to see how different the DPS result is.

Over the 5 minute fight, two casts would result in 40 seconds out of 300, and with nearly everything affdrain casts affected, that results in a 40/300 x 20% = ~2.6% damage increase for the warlock - at the BiS level that's around a 700 dps boost.

Is that plus the (small) gain from an alternate glyph likely to be greater than the difference in pet dps between felhunter and succubus?

my ledge ends · 01/02/11, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Miril

Perhaps it is a relic from trying out using the felhunter for the benefits of Demon Soul. It should probably be moved.

If the felhunter/DS:Felhunter option was tested by the OP (or whoever) I'd be curious to see how different the DPS result is.

Over the 5 minute fight, two casts would result in 40 seconds out of 300, and with nearly everything affdrain casts affected, that results in a 40/300 x 20% = ~2.6% damage increase for the warlock - at the BiS level that's around a 700 dps boost.

Is that plus the (small) gain from an alternate glyph likely to be greater than the difference in pet dps between felhunter and succubus?

The raw difference between Felpup and Succy was tested to be 1500 dps by Zakalwe. Even with Felhunter DS being far superior it wasn't enough to overcome the sheer damage output of Lash of Pain.

Burberri · 01/02/11, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by Jaynen

Does the OP need to be updated specs wise? Why would the AffDrain spec have 1pt in dark arts if they are using the Succubus with lash of pain? Or did I miss something there?

That talent point can't be placed in a talent that increases dps on a single mob patchwerk fight and thus is not relevant to the modeling. This is also true with imp searing pain in the destruction spec.

BoH is responsible for like 10% of my damage on the first 3 bosses in Bastion.
Shadowburn allows me to recharge my shards on cho'gall

I am sure that last point would be better suited for SB:SoC for the few add fights that exist. Or hell if you have to cast SB every 30 seconds for your raid as drain affliction you might want 3/3 bane.

Korvinas · 01/02/11, 8:02 PM

Ive checked recently and have seen that the DMC:Volcano's procs both scale. The int proc scales with buffs namely kings and goes up 5%. However it might also scale with the cloth spec for a further 5% int. The fire damage proc also crits and scales with spellpower and possibly with mastery for destro.

How is this trinket modeled in Simcraft?

• Zakalwe · 01/02/11, 8:26 PM

In the current release we don't actually model the fire damage proc at all. It'll be modelled correctly in the next release. The int buff is modelled correctly in the current release - any int buff will benefit from kings and cloth spec.

Derishi · 01/02/11, 9:11 PM

I tweaked the Warlock_Destruction_T11_372 by adding in Shadowburn to the rotation Sub 20%.

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
This the Spec I used, which drops 2/2 Improved Searing Pain for Shadowburn and Bane of Havoc.

I added in Shadowburn after Chaos Bolt.
actions+=/shadowburn,if=target.health_pct<=20

This resulted in about a 50dps increase from the OP results.

Kyzael · 01/03/11, 1:32 AM

The destruction pre-raid profile seems to be missing a second yellow gem to activate that meta.
The wand indicated by the demonology pre-raid profile does not actually exist in it's heroic version.

Berthold · 01/03/11, 6:54 AM

level=85
race=undead
use_pre_potion=1
professions=enchanting=525/inscription=525
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=00300000000000000023002000000000000003322220302201312201
glyphs=conflagrate/immolate/imp/life_tap
actions=flask,type=draconic_mind
actions+=/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_imp
actions+=/dark_intent
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|!in_combat
actions+=/demon_soul
actions+=/soulburn,if=buff.bloodlust.down
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.improved_soul_fire.cooldown_remains<(cast_time+travel_time)&buff.so ulburn.up&!in_flight
actions+=/bane_of_doom,if=(remains<3|!ticking)&target.time_to_die>=15&miss_react
actions+=/immolate,if=(remains<cast_time+gcd|!ticking)&target.time_to_die>=4&miss_react
actions+=/conflagrate
actions+=/corruption,if=(!ticking|dot.corruption.remains<tick_time)&miss_react
actions+=/shadowflame
actions+=/chaos_bolt
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.empowered_imp.react
actions+=/summon_infernal
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.improved_soul_fire.cooldown_remains<(cast_time+travel_time)&buff.bl oodlust.down&!in_flight
actions+=/incinerate
actions+=/life_tap
head=crown_of_the_twilight_queen,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=351int_617sta_244haste_264 crit_1136armor,reforge=crit_hit,gems=ember_shadowspirit_20int_20hit_30int,enchant=60s p_35crit
neck=valionas_medallion,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143haste_143mastery,reforge=mast ery_hit
shoulders=shadowflame_mantle,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171hit_ 1009armor,gems=40int_10haste,enchant=130int_25haste
chest=shadowblaze_robes,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=345int_578sta_257mastery_217hit_134 6armor,reforge=mastery_haste,gems=20int_20haste_20int_20hit_20int,enchant=20all
waist=belt_of_arcane_storms,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171crit_ 757armor,gems=20int_20haste_20haste_40int
legs=shadowflame_leggings,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=301int_512sta_228haste_188hit_109 4armor,gems=20int_20haste_40int_20int,enchant=95sp_80sta
feet=einhorns_galoshes,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171mastery_92 5armor,reforge=mastery_hit,gems=40int_10haste,enchant=35mastery
wrists=bracers_of_the_dark_pool,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=215int_322sta_143crit_143hi t_589armor,reforge=crit_haste,enchant=65haste
hands=hands_of_the_twilight_council,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191crit_1 71haste_841armor,reforge=crit_hit,gems=40int_10crit,enchant=50haste
finger1=signet_of_the_fifth_circle,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143mastery_143haste,r eforge=mastery_hit,enchant=40int
finger2=band_of_secret_names,stats=190int_286sta_127crit_127haste,reforge=crit_hit,en chant=40int
trinket1=stump_of_time,ilevel=359,quality=epic,stats=321hit,equip=onspellcast_1926sp_ 10%_15dur_75cd,reforge=hit_haste
trinket2=darkmoon_card_volcano,ilevel=359,quality=epic,stats=321mastery,reforge=maste ry_haste,equip=onspelldirecthit_1200fire_1600int_30%_12dur_45cd
back=shroud_of_endless_grief,heroic=1,stats=209int_344sta_153mastery_133haste_699armo r,reforge=mastery_hit,gems=40int,enchant=50int
main_hand=incineratus,heroic=1,stats=165int_248sta_110mastery_110haste_2207sp,reforge =mastery_hit,enchant=power_torrent
off_hand=book_of_binding_will,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143haste_143hit,enchant=10 0int
ranged=theresas_booklight,heroic=1,stats=121int_181sta_81mastery_81hit,reforge=master y_haste

gives 26950 dps.

Although Theralions and the Heart are better trinkets than the stump, you need to reforge to haste from the trinkets to go over 2639 haste.

I will take a look at the affliction profiles as well.

Berthold · 01/03/11, 7:07 AM

warlock=Warlock_Affliction_T11_372
origin="Warlock_Affliction_T11_372.simc"
level=85
race=undead
use_pre_potion=1
professions=enchanting=525/inscription=525
talents=http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=9&tal=22322200301332032100000000000000000003302200000000000000
glyphs=lash_of_pain/haunt/life_tap/corruption/shadow_bolt
actions=flask,type=draconic_mind
actions+=/food,type=seafood_magnifique_feast
actions+=/fel_armor
actions+=/summon_succubus
actions+=/dark_intent
actions+=/snapshot_stats
actions+=/volcanic_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|!in_combat
actions+=/haunt
actions+=/soulburn,if=buff.bloodlust.down
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.improved_soul_fire.cooldown_remains<(cast_time+travel_time)&buff.bl oodlust.down&!in_flight
actions+=/bane_of_agony,if=target.time_to_die>=20&!ticking&miss_react
actions+=/corruption,if=(!ticking|dot.corruption.remains<tick_time)&miss_react
actions+=/unstable_affliction,if=(!ticking|dot.unstable_affliction.remains<(cast_time+tick_time ))&target.time_to_die>=5&miss_react
actions+=/summon_infernal
actions+=/drain_soul,interrupt=1,if=target.health_pct<=25
actions+=/life_tap,mana_percentage<=35
actions+=/demon_soul
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/life_tap
head=crown_of_the_twilight_queen,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=351int_617sta_244haste_264 crit_1136armor,reforge=crit_hit,gems=ember_shadowspirit_20int_20hit_30int,enchant=60s p_35crit
neck=valionas_medallion,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143haste_143mastery,reforge=mast ery_hit
shoulders=shadowflame_mantle,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171hit_ 1009armor,gems=40int_10haste,enchant=130int_25haste
chest=shadowblaze_robes,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=345int_578sta_257mastery_217hit_134 6armor,reforge=mastery_haste,gems=20int_20haste_20int_20hit_20int,enchant=20all
waist=belt_of_arcane_storms,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171crit_ 757armor,reforge=crit_hit,gems=20int_20haste_20haste_40int
legs=shadowflame_leggings,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=301int_512sta_228haste_188hit_109 4armor,gems=20int_20haste_40int_20int,enchant=95sp_80sta
feet=einhorns_galoshes,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191haste_171mastery_92 5armor,reforge=mastery_hit,gems=40int_10haste,enchant=35mastery
wrists=bracers_of_the_dark_pool,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=215int_322sta_143crit_143hi t_589armor,reforge=crit_haste,enchant=65haste
hands=hands_of_the_twilight_council,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=266int_429sta_191crit_1 71haste_841armor,reforge=crit_hit,gems=40int_10crit,enchant=50haste
finger1=signet_of_the_fifth_circle,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143mastery_143haste,r eforge=mastery_hit,enchant=40int
finger2=band_of_secret_names,stats=190int_286sta_127crit_127haste,reforge=crit_hit,en chant=40int
trinket1=theralions_mirror,heroic=1,stats=363int,equip=onharmfulcast_2178mastery_10%_ 20dur_100cd
trinket2=heart_of_ignacious,heroic=1
back=shroud_of_endless_grief,heroic=1,stats=209int_344sta_153mastery_133haste_699armo r,reforge=mastery_hit,gems=40int,enchant=50int
main_hand=incineratus,heroic=1,stats=165int_248sta_110mastery_110haste_2207sp,reforge =mastery_hit,enchant=power_torrent
off_hand=book_of_binding_will,heroic=1,stats=215int_322sta_143haste_143hit,enchant=10 0int
ranged=theresas_booklight,heroic=1,stats=121int_181sta_81mastery_81hit,reforge=master y_haste

gives 27277 dps.
DMC is not strong for Affliction because <25% the only spells that proc the effect are haunt and soulfire, thereby hurting the trinkets uptime.

One way to try circumvent that "bug":
Instead of just casting DS below 25%, one could cast Shadowbolts as soon as the trinket is off CD. After 3.3 casts (30% proc chance) the trinket should proc, giving 1600 int for the next 12 secs, which is ~ 5000 dps more over 12 secs -> 60k dmg Bonus.
The 3.3 Shadowbolts did ~50k dmg and took 5-6 secs.
Instead if we had cast Drainsoul for 6 secs, it would have done at least 3 ticks for 30k dmg each.
All in all we have SB 50k + trinket 60k vs Drain soul 90k + refresh on corruption and Unstable Affliction.
So, this is not really benificial.
As long as Blizzard does not make the first count of DS/DL, etc. count as direct hit, the Volcano trinket is worse than Gale of Shadows.

Moox · 01/03/11, 9:37 AM

While testing different action lists for the affliction warlock, I stumbled upon the following issues.

It seems that the talent Everlasting Affliction is still allowing the Shadow Bolt to refresh our Corruption; this is not the case anymore in Cataclysm. Run SimCraft with log=1 to see the combat log:

10.08    Warlock shadow_bolt hits Fluffy_Pillow for 14125 shadow damage (hit)
10.08    Warlock gains shadow_embrace(2)
10.08    Warlock refreshes duration of corruption

Since Haunt is cast on cooldown and therefore refreshing our Corruption, this should have no impact on the patchwork-style fight. But it will matter on multi-target fights.

I don't know if the following is working as intended, or if it's a bug. Our pets (tested for succubus and fel hunter) get an instant attack in the moment they are summoned (that is, pre-combat). Combat log excerpts:

0.00     Warlock_felhunter performs shadow_bite (66759)
0.00     Warlock_felhunter shadow_bite hits Fluffy_Pillow for 4082 shadow damage (hit)

0.00     Warlock_succubus performs lash_of_pain (64922)
0.00     Warlock_succubus lash_of_pain hits Fluffy_Pillow for 5533 shadow damage (hit)

I tried to compare the "strength" of the Demon Soul spell for builds based on fel hunter and succubus pets.
So I copied the profile Warlock_Affliction_T11_372.simc and modified it to use the fel hunter pet (exchanging the Lash of Pain glyph with the Bane of Agony glyph). From this profile I made another copy, in which I removed the Demon Soul action line. After I ran the SimCraft, the result was as expected: the profile with Demon Soul was approx. 1k DPS stronger.
Now to the strange part, Demon Soul for the succubus pet. Again I copied the profile Warlock_Affliction_T11_372.simc, and deleted the Demon Soul action line in the copy. The profile without Demon Soul should show a decrease in DPS, but this is not the case:

DPS Ranking:
  27137  50.0%  Warlock_Affliction_T11_372_NoDS
  27118  50.0%  Warlock_Affliction_T11_372

(I only did 1000 iterations, so the slight dps increase should be just jitter)

This leads me to believe that the 10% increased damage for Shadow Bolts is missing in SimCraft. The buff Demon Soul: Succubus is active, as you can see in the "Dynamic Buffs" table, but it has no effect on the Shadow Bolt damage.

Profile WITH Demon Soul:
    shadow_bolt          Count= 97.3| 2.47sec  DPE= 16093|19%  DPET= 10314  DPR=   9.2  pDPS=5221  Miss=1.72%  Hit=13172|12882|15225  Crit=26307|25700|30374|24.0%
Profile WITHOUT Demon Soul:
    shadow_bolt          Count= 97.6| 2.46sec  DPE= 16101|19%  DPET= 10340  DPR=   9.2  pDPS=5242  Miss=1.61%  Hit=13170|12882|15225  Crit=26290|25700|30374|24.0%

• Zakalwe · 01/03/11, 11:00 AM

Thanks - the DS and EA issues have been fixed in SVN. The pet attack at 0.00 doesn't seem like a bug - all actions start at 0.00.