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Old 01/19/11, 3:53 AM   #251
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Thanks for that - LoP has been fixed to be modeled as an attack, not a spell, in SVN. It's not in the latest release though - may have to wait a few days for that.

EDIT: Looks like about a 400 DPS loss for the demo profile with succubus, which is enough to make felguard better. I'll have updated results in the OP later today.

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Old 01/19/11, 4:31 AM   #252
vo1os
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Human Warlock
 
Черный Шрам (EU)
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
Thanks for that - LoP has been fixed to be modeled as an attack, not a spell, in SVN. It's not in the latest release though - may have to wait a few days for that.

EDIT: Looks like about a 400 DPS loss for the demo profile with succubus, which is enough to make felguard better. I'll have updated results in the OP later today.
Try to test Imp with glyph.

p.s. I have a question: can anyone tell what I have to add in actions to launch simc sub Dual-DI (Double dark intent haste buff) according that it has double chance to proc of dot-buff(for example situation when there are 3 locks in raid and they chain buff each other) ?

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Old 01/19/11, 4:40 AM   #253
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by vo1os View Post
Try to test Imp with glyph.

p.s. I have a question: what I have to add in actions to launch simc sub Dual-DI (Double dark intent haste buff) ?
Imp isn't better now, but may be after 4.0.6 when the demon soul buff is better - I'll make sure to test it. Either way, though, keep in mind that these are patchwerk-style fights, and that pretty much any real fight is going to allow you to life tap on the move and thus make mana feed less valuable. Using anything but the felguard is probably never going to be a good idea unless you're actually fighting patchwerk and the fight lasts 5 minutes.

Dual DI is not supported in the simulator at this time.

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Old 01/19/11, 6:03 AM   #254
Remorse
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Worgen Warlock
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Regarding the new Demon Soul (imp), I believe the Demon Soul buff isn`t supported by the latest simcraft yet.
If one looks at the live 359 destruction profile and the ptr 359 destruction profile on the first page of this thread you can see there is no difference in the critical strike chance of our non instant cast destruction spells.

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Old 01/19/11, 6:12 AM   #255
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Remorse View Post
Regarding the new Demon Soul (imp), I believe the Demon Soul buff isn`t supported by the latest simcraft yet.
If one looks at the live 359 destruction profile and the ptr 359 destruction profile on the first page of this thread you can see there is no difference in the critical strike chance of our non instant cast destruction spells.
Well spotted - turns out it was working, but only multiplying the existing crit chance by 1.3, rather than adding 30% crit chance. (In other words, 20% crit chance turned into 26% rather than 50%.)

Fixed in SVN, I'll regenerate the PTR results once I'm done regenerating the main results for the OP. EDIT: All done and OP updated.

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Old 01/19/11, 9:48 AM   #256
Darkdep
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Human Warlock
 
Gnomeregan
Originally Posted by vo1os View Post
p.s. I have a question: can anyone tell what I have to add in actions to launch simc sub Dual-DI (Double dark intent haste buff) according that it has double chance to proc of dot-buff(for example situation when there are 3 locks in raid and they chain buff each other) ?
You shouldn't do this in a raid, ever.

Imagine a 6-toon raid (bear with me). 3 locks, 3 shadow priests (to pick something at random). If the Locks DI each other, you get this:

Lock: 6% haste, 9% damage bonus
Lock: 6% haste, 9% damage bonus
Lock: 6% haste, 9% damage bonus
SP: No bonus
SP: No bonus
SP: No bonus

If the locks each DI one of the Shadow Priests, you get:


Lock: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus
Lock: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus
Lock: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus
SP: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus
SP: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus
SP: 3% haste, 9% damage bonus

Overall, that is much more output. The 3% haste from DI is nice, but the potential 9% higher damage / healing output is the real beauty of this talent. Don't DI another Lock. It's wrong.

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Old 01/19/11, 3:32 PM   #257
Scathbais
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Orc Warlock
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
Results with recently announced mechanics changes from the 4.0.6 PTR, including 4-piece T11. Gear profiles haven't been updated, though, so there's no enchant or meta gem changes.



Detailed wiki output: WarlockPTR - simulationcraft - Project Hosting on Google Code

I noticed the DPET charts do not show corruption for either Affliction spec, but does show up under the damage pie chart. Probably just an oversight, but I wanted to bring it to your attention

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Old 01/19/11, 4:46 PM   #258
Burberri
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Orc Warlock
 
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Silvermoon
Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
I noticed the DPET charts do not show corruption for either Affliction spec, but does show up under the damage pie chart. Probably just an oversight, but I wanted to bring it to your attention
Corruption is up 100% of the time because it is refreshed. Therefore its DPET is essentially its damaged done divided by the GCD. This is not useful information and it would make the DPET graph ugly so it isn't included.


One more question: maybe anybody tested on PTR. Demonology now has +6 sec immo in talents. Number of ticks of demonology immo depending on haste now counts from 7 base ticks(15+6/3) or remains as 5 base ticks ?
Immolate ticks every 3 seconds (adjusted by haste), and has a maxmium duration of 21 seconds with the talent. That is an unhasted baseline of 7 ticks. However, as 21 seconds is more than adequate in all but the most unusual cases for a HoG refresh, its haste curve is normalized to the point where you don't need to worry about when you get an extra tick.

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Old 01/19/11, 6:45 PM   #259
 Zakalwe
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Balnazzar
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Old 01/20/11, 5:49 AM   #260
chiyeuk
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Arathor
With the change to ISF, can it stack with Heroism/Bloodlust now?

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Old 01/20/11, 7:39 AM   #261
Kallikrates47
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Silvermoon (EU)
Originally Posted by chiyeuk View Post
With the change to ISF, can it stack with Heroism/Bloodlust now?

Yes and Power Infusion as well.

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Old 01/20/11, 8:47 AM   #262
arhmudo
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Orc Warlock
 
Vashj (EU)
Talents for the "Warlock_Demonology_T11_359" profile invest 2/2 in Aura of Foreboding and 1/1 Demonic Empowerment while Demonic Aegis is 0/2. Well, I understand that Aura of Foreboding provides utility to stun adds in raids, but isn't 1/2 enough to make it useful? Additionally, why would investing one point in Demonic Empowerment be better than investing one point in Demonic Aegis, as health regeneration should have more usefulness than break pet snare?

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Old 01/20/11, 2:02 PM   #263
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by mayer View Post
On Live Servers it gets that Bonus.
Have you actually tested this? It didn't right after Cataclysm launch - and historically, I don't think CoD has *ever* benefited from anything that's specific to periodic damage.

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Old 01/20/11, 3:43 PM   #264
chiyeuk
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Human Warlock
 
Arathor
Originally Posted by Kallikrates47 View Post
Yes and Power Infusion as well.
Okay, thank you. So then.. soulburn,if=buff.bloodlust.down shouldn't have the if statement anymore in the destruction PTR profile.

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Old 01/20/11, 4:46 PM   #265
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
It's there on purpose. At higher haste levels you don't want to waste a soul shard to get an instant soul fire under bloodlust, since you'll be GCD capped at that point.

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Old 01/20/11, 7:39 PM   #266
Scyne
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Stormreaver (EU)
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
Have you actually tested this? It didn't right after Cataclysm launch - and historically, I don't think CoD has *ever* benefited from anything that's specific to periodic damage.
I just tried this on a target dummy.

Just bane of doom: hits for 12331
After applying Haunt (also applies one stack of shadows embrace): hits for 15168
After applying 3 stacks of shadows embrace and haunt: still hits for 15168

12331*1.23= 15167 - close enough

Looks like haunt + glyph is working on bane of doom but shadows embrace is not.

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Old 01/21/11, 3:08 AM   #267
chiyeuk
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Arathor
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
It's there on purpose. At higher haste levels you don't want to waste a soul shard to get an instant soul fire under bloodlust, since you'll be GCD capped at that point.
Oh right, that's good to know. But I was mixing up Soul Burn and Soul Fire, I was actually checking if the simulation was keeping up Soul Fire (with or without Soul Burn) during Bloodlust. I now see that buff.bloodlust.down is removed from Soul Fire in the priority list. I was looking at the wrong priority.

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Old 01/21/11, 6:35 AM   #268
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Scyne View Post
I just tried this on a target dummy.

Just bane of doom: hits for 12331
After applying Haunt (also applies one stack of shadows embrace): hits for 15168
After applying 3 stacks of shadows embrace and haunt: still hits for 15168

12331*1.23= 15167 - close enough

Looks like haunt + glyph is working on bane of doom but shadows embrace is not.
Confirmed. Also, potent afflictions affects BoD now, apparently. The mechanics have been updated in SVN, but BoD is still not better than BoA for affliction.

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Old 01/21/11, 10:05 PM   #269
scmpoe
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Human Warlock
 
Vek'lor
avalanche?

from latest 4.0.6 patch notes
Enchant Weapon - Avalanche now also procs from spell damage.

Would this possibly make avalanche the new best enchant?
If it procs off dot ticks I imagine you would get a ton of procs as affliction.

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Old 01/22/11, 3:05 AM   #270
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Dark intent was discovered to be additive with a few different things, notably potent afflictions and improved corruption, which lowered affliction DPS by another couple hundred. OP has been updated, and I also added movement simulations this time around.

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Old 01/22/11, 7:50 AM   #271
Jessicka
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The Sha'tar (EU)
Thanks for that - LoP has been fixed to be modeled as an attack, not a spell, in SVN. It's not in the latest release though - may have to wait a few days for that.

EDIT: Looks like about a 400 DPS loss for the demo profile with succubus, which is enough to make felguard better. I'll have updated results in the OP later today.
It's actually been shown that the Felguard's melee attacks are bugged and not only just not effected by the Hand of Gul'dan Aura, but that the debuff is actually causing those melee swings to Crit notably less often. Legion Strike however seems fine.

Furthermore, the Felguard's melee swings, without HoG up are scaling from the character spell based stats, not melee; and the Succubus's attacks don't seem to be scaling from either the character's melee or spell based stats other than Hit.

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Old 01/22/11, 8:00 AM   #272
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
It's actually been shown that the Felguard's melee attacks are bugged and not only just not effected by the Hand of Gul'dan Aura, but that the debuff is actually causing those melee swings to Crit notably less often. Legion Strike however seems fine.

Furthermore, the Felguard's melee swings, without HoG up are scaling from the character spell based stats, not melee; and the Succubus's attacks don't seem to be scaling from either the character's melee or spell based stats other than Hit.
Source/proof/numbers?

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Old 01/22/11, 8:08 AM   #273
Jessicka
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The Sha'tar (EU)
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
Source/proof/numbers?
Thread here: MMO, several peoples numbers there, and links too to bug report forums with some more (probably the same).

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Old 01/22/11, 8:14 AM   #274
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Your numbers showing the HoG aura causing a *decrease* in melee crit aren't even close to being statistically significant. The succubus bug is notable, and SVN has already been updated to reflect this. The other things you mention are already modeled that way in the sim.

EDIT: The OP has been updated to reflect the pet bugs/mechanics.

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Old 01/22/11, 9:02 AM   #275
Wyked
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Human Warlock
 
Destromath
Demo Potential BiS list.

I noticed that we are still using the same gear sets for each profile, despite each spec wanting different stats, so I have been twiddling with the demonology BiS list and running it in Simulation Craft 4.03-26. Also, the currently posted numbers were not attainable with the latest simulator, which corrected many errors and added the latest PTR changes.

The best I could get was 26,451dps using link to chardev profile.

I can't figure out how to post my results.html page any where currently, but you should be able to recreate them with the above chardev page and adding in the " += fel_flame,if=buff.tier11_4pc_caster.react" action just below corruption and above shadowflame. (Make sure you have "PTR" selected for the Version under Options->Globals).

I will be attempting to tweak the aff, affdrain, and destro profiles today.

~dy

P.S. I took your 359 PTR sim as my basis, and I notice you have an orc warlock selected for it, yet you used to have an undead. I continued simulating with an orc instead of changing it to undead.

edit: Guess I can explain how I approached the gear set as well. I ran the PTR 359 profile in order to get scale factors. I used those scale factors to rate gear as a basis for piece selection and reforging to hit cap (reforging away as much crit as possible since it was the weakest). I then used gems and reforging to aim for the haste sweet spot, which proved to be 1993, but I could not hit it closer than 1996, while keeping hit 1 point short without going 10-12 over.

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