SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Cataclysm Edition) - Page 2

• Zakalwe · 12/06/10, 10:48 AM

I've just updated the T11 profiles - I got them past the 2639 haste point, which definitely shows in the destro numbers, but they're still all using the same gear. In fact, the current gear profile is probably pretty optimal for destro, so affliction may catch up once we tweak the gear individually per profile. EDIT: Scratch that, I can't seem to squeeze any more DPS out of any of the profiles at this point. Feel free to prove me wrong

Saufsoldat · 12/06/10, 11:06 AM

Currently Incinerate is last in the Destruction priority list. Does this not change at all when Backdraft is up?

Flamingcloud · 12/06/10, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I've just updated the T11 profiles - I got them past the 2639 haste point, which definitely shows in the destro numbers, but they're still all using the same gear. In fact, the current gear profile is probably pretty optimal for destro, so affliction may catch up once we tweak the gear individually per profile.

So, why is 2639 haste supposedly an extra immolate point?

According to the ratings thread that is 20.608% haste, which after ISF and 5% is 45.6% haste. Even if you ignore ISF it isn't a point.

You need 10, 30, 50, and 70% haste to gain extra ticks of immolate.. Obviously we are above 10% naked so the other three points are the only necessary.

1.3 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.0766
981 Haste Rating

1.5 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.2422
3102 Haste Rating

1.7 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.4079
5224 Haste Rating

• Zakalwe · 12/06/10, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Flamingcloud

So, why is 2639 haste supposedly an extra immolate point?

According to the ratings thread that is 20.608% haste, which after ISF and 5% is 45.6% haste. Even if you ignore ISF it isn't a point.

You need 10, 30, 50, and 70% haste to gain extra ticks of immolate.. Obviously we are above 10% naked so the other three points are the only necessary.

1.3 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.0766
981 Haste Rating

1.5 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.2422
3102 Haste Rating

1.7 = X * 1.15 * 1.05
X = 1.4079
5224 Haste Rating

You're missing dark intent. The interesting points are at 580 and 2639.

ultrajustin · 12/06/10, 11:12 PM

I apologize for having to ask, but is there any attempt to model the clipping on channeled spells (drain life)? My logic is that shadow bolts can use the cast que, but drain life damage ticks are interrupted by restarting the channel (and it's very hard to time that perfectly).

This leads me to believe that the shadow bolt affliction simulation will perform better under real world conditions, and I'm curious if there is any way to model this.

• Zakalwe · 12/07/10, 1:28 AM

Originally Posted by ultrajustin

I apologize for having to ask, but is there any attempt to model the clipping on channeled spells (drain life)? My logic is that shadow bolts can use the cast que, but drain life damage ticks are interrupted by restarting the channel (and it's very hard to time that perfectly).

This leads me to believe that the shadow bolt affliction simulation will perform better under real world conditions, and I'm curious if there is any way to model this.

The channel_lag option models an average delay which is applied every time the actor clips a channeled spell (or casts another spell after the last tick of a channeled spell). The default value for this option is 250 milliseconds.

randa · 12/07/10, 10:58 AM

Blizzard armory is down or that site has been abolished, so those links to talent builds don't work.

necro_potence · 12/07/10, 5:36 PM

Since I see in the simcraft comments that the bis arent final, I've run my own app that determines the best combo of items.

This is the test I've just made:

Class: Warlock
Hit Cap: (taken from here) 102.446*17
Scaling values: (taken from the first post as a test subject) Warlock_AffDrain_T11_372 Sta=0.0425 Int=3.0638 SP=2.4029 Hit=1.6689 Crit=1.1232 Haste=1.3069 Mastery=1.4186
Gems considered: Brilliant Inferno Ruby, Rigid Ocean Sapphire, Fractured Amberjewel, Quick Amberjewel, Smooth Amberjewel, Veiled Demonseye, Lightning Dream Emerald, Piercing Dream Emerald, Sensei's Dream Emerald, Artful Ember Topaz, Potent Ember Topaz, Reckless Ember Topaz, Chaotic Shadowspirit Diamond
Items: basically all epic lvl 85 items equippable by a Warlock

Here is the output:

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[2010-12-07 22:56:01] Gemming the loaded items in all possible ways
The Set<Heads> has 35 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 28 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 17 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 196 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 42 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 21 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 210 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 28 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 5 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 2 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 9 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 2 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] All valid reforges applied
The Set<Heads> has 133 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 14 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 98 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 55 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 588 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 12 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 182 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 77 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 553 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 77 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 9 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 8 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 6 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 11 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 2 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 37 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 4 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] The first optimization phase is over
The Set<Heads> has 133 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 10 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 98 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 55 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 439 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 12 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 147 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 77 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 413 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 77 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 9 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 8 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 6 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 11 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 2 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 33 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 4 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] The second optimization phase is over
The Set<Heads> has 25 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 18 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 5 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 53 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 6 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 5 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 5 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 323 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 3 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 1 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 2 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 3 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 4 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] The third optimization phase is over
The Set<Heads> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 6 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 1 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 2 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 2 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 2 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] The fourth optimization phase is over
The Set<Heads> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Necks> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Shoulders> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Backs> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Chests> has 4 items in it.
The Set<Wrists> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Hands> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Belts> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Legs> has 1 items in it.
The Set<Feet> has 3 items in it.
The Set<Fingers> has 2 items in it.
The Set<Fingers>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets> has 1 items in it.
The Set<Trinkets>2 has 2 items in it.
The Set<Rangeds> has 1 items in it.
The Set<MainHands> has 2 items in it.
The Set<OffHands> has 1 items in it.

[2010-12-07 23:34:40] A total of 55296 gear combinations will be tested

[2010-12-07 23:34:40]Class: WARLOCK (hitCap=1742, expertiseCap=0)
Equipped Items:
HEAD: Name: Crown of the Twilight Queen (Heroic)
Socket-1(META): Chaotic Shadowspirit Diamond (id:52291, color:META, CRIT:54, null)
Socket-2(BLUE): Veiled Demonseye (id:52217, color:PURPLE, HIT:20, INTELLECT:20)
Socket Bonus: INTELLECT: 30 (Active)
Reforged: CRIT:105 -> HIT:105
NECK: Name: Valiona's Medallion (Heroic)
Reforged: HASTE:57 -> HIT:57
SHOULDER: Name: Shadowflame Mantle (Heroic)
Socket-1(RED): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: HASTE: 10 (Active)
Reforged: HASTE:76 -> MASTERY:76
BACK: Name: Shroud of Endless Grief (Heroic)
Socket-1(YELLOW): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: INTELLECT: 10 (Not Active)
Reforged: HASTE:53 -> HIT:53
CHEST: Name: Shadowblaze Robes (Heroic)
Socket-1(YELLOW): Artful Ember Topaz (id:52205, color:ORANGE, INTELLECT:20, MASTERY:20)
Socket-2(BLUE): Veiled Demonseye (id:52217, color:PURPLE, HIT:20, INTELLECT:20)
Socket Bonus: INTELLECT: 20 (Active)
Not Reforged
BRACERS: Name: Bracers of the Dark Pool (Heroic)
Reforged: CRIT:57 -> MASTERY:57
GLOVES: Name: Shadowflame Handwraps (Heroic)
Socket-1(YELLOW): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: MASTERY: 10 (Not Active)
Reforged: CRIT:68 -> HIT:68
BELT: Name: Belt of Arcane Storms (Heroic)
Socket-1(YELLOW): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: HASTE: 20 (Not Active)
Reforged: CRIT:68 -> HIT:68
LEGS: Name: Shadowflame Leggings (Heroic)
Socket-1(YELLOW): Artful Ember Topaz (id:52205, color:ORANGE, INTELLECT:20, MASTERY:20)
Socket-2(RED): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: INTELLECT: 20 (Active)
Reforged: HASTE:102 -> MASTERY:102
FEET: Name: Einhorn's Galoshes (Heroic)
Socket-1(RED): Brilliant Inferno Ruby (id:52207, color:RED, INTELLECT:40, null)
Socket Bonus: HASTE: 10 (Active)
Reforged: HASTE:76 -> HIT:76
RING1: Name: Signet of the Fifth Circle (Heroic)
Reforged: HASTE:57 -> HIT:57
RING2: Name: Ring of the Boy Emperor (Non Heroic)
Reforged: HASTE:50 -> HIT:50
TRINKET1: Name: Theralion's Mirror (Heroic)
Not Reforged
TRINKET2: Name: Bell of Enraging Resonance (Heroic)
Reforged: CRIT:145 -> HIT:145
MAINHAND: Name: Staff of Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan (Non Heroic)
Reforged: CRIT:91 -> HIT:91
RANGED: Name: Theresa's Booklight (Heroic)
Not Reforged
Stats:
ARMOR: 8479, STAMINA: 5778, INTELLECT: 4364
SPIRIT: 0, AGILITY: 0, STRENGTH: 0
SPELLPOWER: 1955, ATTACKPOWER: 0
CRIT: 556, HIT: 1729, HASTE: 1483
MASTERY: 1627, EXPERTISE: 0
WEAPONDPS: 0, AVG_DAMAGING_TIME: 0
Scales:
ARMOR: 0.0, STAMINA: 0.04, INTELLECT: 3.06
SPIRIT: 0.0, AGILITY: 0.0, STRENGTH: 0.0
SPELLPOWER: 2.4, ATTACKPOWER: 0.0
CRIT: 1.12, HIT: 1.67, HASTE: 1.31
MASTERY: 1.42, EXPERTISE: 0.0

WEAPONDPS: 0.0, AVG_DAMAGING_TIME: 1.48
TotalDps: 26040.18

Let me know if you are interested in the bis lists for the other specs.

jeffason · 12/08/10, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by randa

Blizzard armory is down or that site has been abolished, so those links to talent builds don't work.

Yes, can we get updated talent links for builds used in these results please? On wowhead or something?

chiyeuk · 12/08/10, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pèanut

trinket2=Darkmoon_Card:_Tsunami,heroic=0,stats=321int

Healing trinket?

Originally Posted by necro_potence

Head: Crown of the Twilight Queen (Heroic)
Neck: Valiona's Medallion (Heroic)
Shoulder: Shadowflame Mantle (Heroic)
Back: Shroud of Endless Grief (Heroic)
Chest: Shadowblaze Robes (Heroic)
Wrists: Bracers of the Dark Pool (Heroic)
Hands: Shadowflame Handwraps (Heroic)
Waist: Belt of Arcane Storms (Heroic)
Legs: Shadowflame Leggings (Heroic)
Feet: Einhorn's Galoshes (Heroic)
Finger: Signet of the Fifth Circle (Heroic)
Finger: Ring of the Boy Emperor (Non Heroic)
Trinket: Theralion's Mirror (Heroic)
Trinket: Bell of Enraging Resonance (Heroic)
Main Hand: Staff of Sorcerer-Thane Thaurissan (Non Heroic)
Ranged: Theresa's Booklight (Heroic)

Don't we want our four piece bonus?

necro_potence · 12/08/10, 1:21 PM

Originally Posted by chiyeuk

Healing trinket?

Don't we want our four piece bonus?

Maybe, the simulator outputs what the input numbers point as best. For an accurate evaluation if we want it or not, it needs a weight for the 2p and 4p tier bonuses too.

Saufsoldat · 12/08/10, 10:12 PM

The 4p bonus does nothing for the simulation, because we don't cast fel flame in patchwerk fights. I still doubt the utility of fel flame in any the vast majority of boss fights anyway.

Ehvyn · 12/09/10, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Krasher

Is there any common consensus on best racial(s) for each faction yet?

I'm fairly certain the only changes to racials for 4.0.3a are from Trolls and now Goblins.

That said, 585 Spellpower + 5% Increased Pet Damage is safe to say much better then 20% haste on use or 1% static haste.

Tremloc · 12/09/10, 1:22 PM

I noticed a possible error in the Pre-Raid destruction simc linked in the OP.

The enchantment on the shoulders is listed as:

shoulders=mantle_of_the_eastern_lords,heroic=1,type=cloth,stats=205int_337sta_150mast ery_130hit_870armor,reforge=mastery_haste,gems=40int,enchant=130int_25haste

when the highest enchantment I've found is Greater Inscription of Charged Lodestone, which is 50int_25haste

Edit:
Ah, thanks to Nartas. It's an inscription only item.

Nartas · 12/09/10, 1:33 PM

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