SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Cataclysm Edition) - Page 47

Sartré · 10/18/11, 8:59 PM

-Does simcraft count "HoG aura" in for affliction and destro's pet dps? I could not find any trace about it.
-Sorry if this is a silly question, probably it is, but just to be sure: In DPET charts, shadowflame color is classified as shadow damage but is it counted as shadow DD; fire DoT as it is in live?

Caltiom · 10/19/11, 1:21 AM

Originally Posted by Sartré

-Does simcraft count "HoG aura" in for affliction and destro's pet dps? I could not find any trace about it.
-Sorry if this is a silly question, probably it is, but just to be sure: In DPET charts, shadowflame color is classified as shadow damage but is it counted as shadow DD; fire DoT as it is in live?

HoG aura is only counted for the Warlock casting the HoG, not even for fellow Demonology Warlocks.

Shadowflame DPET is combined in the parent Stats "shadowflame", so you'll only see it's school color appear in the DPET chart. Best way to check for such differences/details is to extended the ability details in the abilities section. Simcraft tries to model spells as similar to World of Warcraft as possible, where shadowflame and shadowflame_dot are separated too. And yes, there you can find that the dot ability does fire damage.

Xayide · 10/19/11, 8:46 AM

Originally Posted by Caltiom

HoG aura is only counted for the Warlock casting the HoG, not even for fellow Demonology Warlocks.

Are you sure about this? Is the tooltip wrong then? I've never heard of this behavior... The tooltip says: "(...) causing all targets within it to have a 10% increased chance to be critically hit by any Warlock demons."

• Zakalwe · 10/19/11, 8:49 AM

Originally Posted by Xayide

Are you sure about this? Is the tooltip wrong then? I've never heard of this behavior... The tooltip says: "(...) causing all targets within it to have a 10% increased chance to be critically hit by any Warlock demons."

He's not referring to how it works in-game, he's referring to how it's modeled in the simulator.

Sartré · 10/19/11, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Caltiom

HoG aura is only counted for the Warlock casting the HoG, not even for fellow Demonology Warlocks.

Shadowflame DPET is combined in the parent Stats "shadowflame", so you'll only see it's school color appear in the DPET chart. Best way to check for such differences/details is to extended the ability details in the abilities section. Simcraft tries to model spells as similar to World of Warcraft as possible, where shadowflame and shadowflame_dot are separated too. And yes, there you can find that the dot ability does fire damage.

So, does that mean simcraft results for affli and destro is lower than the "perfect raid setup" (where HoG aura for all demons is present) by around 500~ dps ?

Edit: In 4.3 profiles, affli and destro pets do around 5-6k dps by themselves. So 10% of that would be 500dps. That is why I used that value as an estimation. Of course it is only napkin math at best, but I think you got my idea, what I meant.

Medastase · 10/19/11, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Sartré

So, does that mean simcraft results for affli and destro is lower than the "perfect raid setup" (where HoG aura for all demons is present) by around 500~ dps ?

Edit: In 4.3 profiles, affli and destro pets do around 5-6k dps by themselves. So 10% of that would be 500dps. That is why I used that value as an estimation. Of course it is only napkin math at best, but I think you got my idea, what I meant.

It's 10% critical chance not 10% additional damage.
But understood the idea and I don't know the answer to your question, does sim take into account HoG ofr affli/destro lock considering another demo lock presence in the raid or not.

Dastey · 10/23/11, 5:58 PM

In the patch 4.3 PTR Destruction warlock I have a suggestion for a change

When simming the current profile I get 37806 dps.
When I change gem in shoulders and legs from 40int to 20int + 20 haste to recieve 70% haste during bloodlust I get 37886 dps.

So a very slight DPS increase due to extra tick during bloodlust

Lominen · 10/26/11, 9:09 AM

Demonology

Master Demonologist now increases damage done by demon servants and damage dealt while transformed by 18.4%, down from 20%. Each point of Mastery increases damage by an additional 2.3%, down from 2.5%.

Has this been implemented in the current listings at the front page yet?

• Zakalwe · 10/26/11, 9:26 AM

Yes, that's been in since the official PTR patch notes from October 13.

Seiru · 10/26/11, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Lominen

But this is from the latest PTR build, the changes to it, that is. Came up on MMO this morning

Tooltip change.

Sartré · 11/01/11, 3:48 AM

Originally Posted by Medastase

It's 10% critical chance not 10% additional damage.
But understood the idea and I don't know the answer to your question, does sim take into account HoG ofr affli/destro lock considering another demo lock presence in the raid or not.

I wanted to point out the question I've asked again since it remains without a clarification. I would really appreciate a word on it from Zakalwe or someone else with knowledge.

• Zakalwe · 11/01/11, 3:55 AM

I thought this was made pretty clear on the previous page of this thread, but here it is again: We currently model the HoG debuff as only affecting the pet of the warlock who cast the HoG.

We're unlikely to "fix" this in the short term, simply because it would mean the other warlocks in our raid reports would benefit from the debuff, and there'd be no way to turn that off. What we'll probably do is provide it as an optional override so you can turn it on in your own sims, much like we already do with FM and DI.

Dastey · 11/01/11, 5:37 AM

I got a question regarding glyphs for destruction in 4.3

- With the recent buff to chaos bolt and incinerate damage the incinerate glyph might be a worthy opponent, on top of that if you have the legendary wouldnt it outperform the imp glyph or is the imp glyph simply worth too much?

rijn dael · 11/01/11, 9:01 PM

Originally Posted by Dastey

With the recent buff to chaos bolt and incinerate damage the incinerate glyph might be a worthy opponent, on top of that if you have the legendary wouldnt it outperform the imp glyph or is the imp glyph simply worth too much?

nope.

From current simcraft 4.3 T12-
imp - 5266dps (including 20% from imp glyph).

So imp glyph = 877dps.

To be worth it, incin would need to be breaking 17.5k of our dps - without the imp gaining any.

ie, 5% of incins dps must be more than 20% of imp - at present, incin is around 8k, so it would require doubling dps from incin.

• Zakalwe · 11/01/11, 9:47 PM

A much more relevant question is whether demonology can finally ditch shadow bolt entirely. And the answer is yes, in 4.3 the best spec will drop bane for improved corruption and the corruption glyph for the incinerate glyph, and never cast any shadow bolts. It wins over the current setup by about 200 DPS.

I won't be changing the current BiS profiles over, though - we're about to start making T13 profiles anyway.