Warlock Simple Questions Thread: Cataclysm Edition - Page 14

moop · 02/20/11, 3:43 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I haven't done extensive enough testing to be 100% sure, but I believe so. The 4.0.3 version of DS: Imp affected the damage of immolate's periodic crits.

I can confirm that it affects both the direct and periodic Critical strike chance of Immolate. [source]

Updated the Warlock Mechanics in Cataclysm thread accordingly.

Strongmad27 · 02/21/11, 7:47 PM

Question i have for my affliction warlock--though it does also apply to any of my toons with DoTs. I have trinkets that will proc for an increase in spell power. When they proc, will my DoT effects that are already on my target get a boost in damage, or is it only spells i cast while i have the increase in spell power?

Sting18 · 02/21/11, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by Strongmad27

Question i have for my affliction warlock--though it does also apply to any of my toons with DoTs. I have trinkets that will proc for an increase in spell power. When they proc, will my DoT effects that are already on my target get a boost in damage, or is it only spells i cast while i have the increase in spell power?

It will only apply to spells that you cast AFTER you receive the increase in spellpower. A quick trip to the training dummies will confirm this.

clavarnway · 02/22/11, 2:22 PM

On Nefarian, during p1, do any of you try to keep Immolate up on both Nefarian and Onyxia? I can keep Corruption and Havok and CoE (if necessary) easily on my focus target while DPS'ing the main target, but considering I have to face the target to apply Immolate, and the fact that they are opposite of each other due to the range buff (at least, the way we tank them), I found it not worth trying to do a quick 180 to reapply Immolate. Just curious if other locks tried to keep Immolate on both in p1 and if so, the results.

P2 is easy of course for the Prototype + Nef, since they are both in front of you.

PainfulDeath · 02/22/11, 4:29 PM

Originally Posted by clavarnway

On Nefarian, during p1, do any of you try to keep Immolate up on both Nefarian and Onyxia? I can keep Corruption and Havok and CoE (if necessary) easily on my focus target while DPS'ing the main target, but considering I have to face the target to apply Immolate, and the fact that they are opposite of each other due to the range buff (at least, the way we tank them), I found it not worth trying to do a quick 180 to reapply Immolate. Just curious if other locks tried to keep Immolate on both in p1 and if so, the results.

P2 is easy of course for the Prototype + Nef, since they are both in front of you.

I definitely try to keep both corruption and immo going on both nef and ony. The turn isn't that much of a big deal after you got the targeting worked out. Be it by using mouseover macros, or just quick clicking on previous gcds. Since immolate should be around triple increase in dpet over regular shadow Bolt it is worth it, even if you waste like half a second turning. More molten core procs for demo is a nice bonus too. After a bit of practice the turn takes little to no time and provides a nice dps boost.

der n. · 02/24/11, 6:26 AM

Hello Everybody, my first post on this great forum, after reading and using it for a long time

I ran in an an argument yesterday regarding Stats for Affli. Every Guide states that INT >> Hit to the cap. That means that even if you are not hit capped, gemming the the 40 Int Jewel in a red socket should be better than using a Hit/XX Gem.

i was a little confused because i thought that getting hit capped is always the first priority. I was always under the assumption, that lacking hit not only get some casts and dots resisted, but gets the mob partially to resist some of the damage. I did find proof on WoWiki which says:

For casters, 1% of additional hit can amount to more than 1% additional damage statistically. This is due to mobs being able to partially resist your spells when you are bellow hit cap in addition to your miss rate.

My opponent stated this is not true. partially resists have nothing to with hit rating at all, but couldn't prove it.

Can someone help me out?

~Thalia~ · 02/24/11, 6:50 AM

Int being better than hit does not mean that you should not try to be hit capped if possible. Hit is still significantly better than haste crit or mastery for all specs.
It juste means that you should not put hit on your gear in a place where you could have int. This includes gemming and enchanting.
With Cataclysm, one point of hit accounts for significantly less hit rating than previously, meaning that the value of hit per point has been reduced. And with intellect providing spellpower and mana, it has become a much better stat.
As a general rule of thumb, you should never gem for hit (especially now that the metagems we use only require red gems), but instead gem for intel (red gems if the socket bonus is anything under 20 int), then reforge all possible gear pieces for hit, trying to come closest to the hitcap as possible, without sacrificing any intel in the process.

krilz · 02/24/11, 6:52 AM

The basic gesture is that if you have a choice between Intellect and Hit, Int will always provide a higher boost to your DPS. However, Int is a primary stat and Hit is a secondary stat. Often you will (almost) never have to make a choice between the two, but more between Hit/Haste/Crit/Mastery where Hit is superior. However, a lot of casters (me included) are opting for maximum spell hit chance because it smoothens out the rotations a whole lot.

EDIT: Thalia hit the nail on the head.

• Zakalwe · 02/24/11, 7:15 AM

Originally Posted by der n.

My opponent stated this is not true. partially resists have nothing to with hit rating at all, but couldn't prove it.

Your opponent is correct.

Keldrin · 02/24/11, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by der n.

My opponent stated this is not true. partially resists have nothing to with hit rating at all, but couldn't prove it.

Indeed your opponent is correct.
Spell Hit stat (and miss chance) governs whether the spell lands or not. It has nothing to do with partial resists.
Spell penetration on the other hand, is the stat which helps bypass the target's resistances.
However, these days Spell Penetration is a stat reserved for mostly PvP usage, as raid mobs don't have resistances.

Blai · 02/26/11, 7:33 AM

Originally Posted by Keldrin

Indeed your opponent is correct.
Spell Hit stat (and miss chance) governs whether the spell lands or not. It has nothing to do with partial resists.
Spell penetration on the other hand, is the stat which helps bypass the target's resistances.
However, these days Spell Penetration is a stat reserved for mostly PvP usage, as raid mobs don't have resistances.

Pardon me if my question sounds stupid but does this mean that in raids, if hit capped, there are a standing 100% chance to deal damage on your spells (i.e no resists etc) or are there still a chance for the mob to, somehow, avoid getting damaged by your spells? Not counting mob self-buffs / resistance auras / shields etc.

Reason why I'm asking is because in GB HC and in some packs in BWD I've gotten resisted but without a "proper reason" as the mobs didn't have any type of buff on them to prevent me from damaging them.

Runemist · 02/28/11, 5:42 AM

Greetings, quick raid leader question :

What talent / skill is making destruction warlock take significantly less damage from squall lines on Al'Akir.

Tried to browse wol logs but can't find the buff gain giving the absorb only getting lines like :
[22:02:26.765] Unknown Squall Line Warlock_00 6400 (A: 1600, R: 2000)

• Zakalwe · 02/28/11, 7:06 AM

Nether Protection - Spell - World of Warcraft

scaffold · 02/28/11, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by Blai

Pardon me if my question sounds stupid but does this mean that in raids, if hit capped, there are a standing 100% chance to deal damage on your spells (i.e no resists etc) or are there still a chance for the mob to, somehow, avoid getting damaged by your spells? Not counting mob self-buffs / resistance auras / shields etc.

There still are level-based partial resists.

Runemist · 03/01/11, 4:01 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Nether Protection - Spell - World of Warcraft

After checking WoL again (and some chimaeron logs) Nether Protection appears in the logs when it does happen. Also i see no sign of initial absorb on our logs.

Is there any passive that grants locks those Squall Lines reduction or is NP proccing somehow and not showing ?

Self edit : Its actually soul link :

22:02:24.156] Kupyap takes 1800 damage from Baakus's Lien spirituel
[22:02:24.984] Unknown Ligne de grains Baakus 7200 (A: 1800, R: 1000)
[22:02:25.406] Kupyap takes 1800 damage from Baakus's Lien spirituel
[22:02:25.953] Unknown Ligne de grains Baakus 6400 (A: 1600, R: 2000)