Warlock Simple Questions Thread: Cataclysm Edition - Page 34

Rosvall · 01/22/12, 5:05 AM

Will there be an updated version Dark Intent listings, mostly where it stands on Sub rogues with 2part t12 DoT included. (And if SimCraft is used, it should be noted that it calculates the 2part t12 DoT incorrectly and lists it at only 33% of its regular potential).

Fabinas · 02/02/12, 5:46 PM

Is there another dps simulator except simulationcraft for warlocks? For some reason it has always been bugged in my computer and it won't run. Any other direction eould be appreciated. Thanks.

• Zakalwe · 02/02/12, 8:36 PM

Originally Posted by Fabinas

Is there another dps simulator except simulationcraft for warlocks? For some reason it has always been bugged in my computer and it won't run. Any other direction eould be appreciated. Thanks.

If it doesn't run on your computer, open an issue where you describe the problem in detail.

rhapso · 02/05/12, 11:00 AM

One question regarding Pettwisting as Demo:

With the 4pc t13, do you hardcast all the pets so you can use the 4pc on cooldown or do you still summon the felhoud with Soulburn?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: And do you pettwist, even though you don't have Moonwell Chalice?

Gakpad · 02/05/12, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by rhapso

One question regarding Pettwisting as Demo:

With the 4pc t13, do you hardcast all the pets so you can use the 4pc on cooldown or do you still summon the felhoud with Soulburn?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: And do you pettwist, even though you don't have Moonwell Chalice?

I'm fairly certain pet twisting is no longer viable once you get 4t13 in normal circumstances.

Once you get rid of MWC you don't pet swap anymore regardless besides at the start of the fight.

Evyle · 02/06/12, 4:02 PM

I have looked over multiple posts and some seem to have conflicting information about doomguard and what "buffs" it gets.
Spell power, hit, crit from the caster is what most say but earlier posts indicated you wanted your doomguard out prior to heroism/bloodlust. A more recent post has no benifit at all from heroism for your pet (either before or after heroism cast). Does anyone have some good testing on this.

Gakpad had some good info in the destro forums showing haste breakpoints (and the info he/she had said heroism did not help) anyone have any other supporting or denying data?

Gakpad · 02/08/12, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by Evyle

I have looked over multiple posts and some seem to have conflicting information about doomguard and what "buffs" it gets.
Spell power, hit, crit from the caster is what most say but earlier posts indicated you wanted your doomguard out prior to heroism/bloodlust. A more recent post has no benifit at all from heroism for your pet (either before or after heroism cast). Does anyone have some good testing on this.

Gakpad had some good info in the destro forums showing haste breakpoints (and the info he/she had said heroism did not help) anyone have any other supporting or denying data?

Just to clarify those breakpoints really ended up not being applicable to actual gameplay but only in determining when simcraft would value haste higher when in reality it most likely would not be. If there was some way to guarantee you would have X latency exactly for the duration of your doomguard you could theoretically calculate individual breakpoints for your individual scenario but that would end up being more trouble than its worth, not to mention almost completely unreliable.

Doomguard does benefit from:

Your character's haste, crit, and hit RATING
External haste buffs applied to it after it is summoned (DI, power infusion - not that he should ever get them :P)

He does not benefit from:
5% haste aura
Heroism/BL/Time Warp

• Zakalwe · 02/09/12, 2:18 AM

Originally Posted by Gakpad

determining when simcraft would value haste higher when in reality it most likely would not be

There should be no hard breakpoints in haste valuation in simcraft due to the doomguard - we simulate his unreliable cast frequency by adding a small variable-duration delay after each cast.

Gakpad · 02/09/12, 4:33 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

There should be no hard breakpoints in haste valuation in simcraft due to the doomguard - we simulate his unreliable cast frequency by adding a small variable-duration delay after each cast.

I suppose I should rephrase. There are regions of haste where the Doomguard seems to benefit either more or less from haste than he does in reality. Using a 300-point delta to caluclate stat weights both with and without Doomguard included in the rotation I can get wildly swining results for haste. On top of that since the average time added in between casts (which seems to be .22 seconds - correct me if I'm wrong) definitely causes him to experience general thresholds when calculating stat weights. Would it be possible to manually add an average wait time in between casts some how? This is all from my personal testing, and I make no claims to its accuracy - if I end up being wrong I'd be ecstatic since it would mean much much easier and reliable stat weights. As it is now I just don't know how to include him in my weighting calculations without producing completely unreliable results due to my own personal latency/his inconsistency in game.

Flöte · 02/09/12, 5:25 PM

Hi guys,

we started trying madness hc today, playing affli there of course. I was wondering if it would be beneficial to substitute drain life for shadowbolt since it has more damage sources, hence more spellweave proccs, than shadowbolt. Has anyone played around with that idea? if yes, it would mean i had to reforge crit to mastery right?

moonstone · 02/12/12, 5:01 PM

Does shadow bolt replace incinerate (save for MC procs) in the multi-target demo spec as filler? Why only in the multi-target spec and not the single-target as well?

Keldion · 02/13/12, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by moonstone

Does shadow bolt replace incinerate (save for MC procs) in the multi-target demo spec as filler? Why only in the multi-target spec and not the single-target as well?

Yes, SB replaces Incinerate in the absence of MC procs in that situation.

The single-target demo spec substitutes Improved Corruption for Bane and Glyph of Incinerate for Glyph of Corruption. Glyphed Incinerate has DPET scaling similar to that of a 2.5 second SB.

BOSS_ru · 02/13/12, 8:16 PM

I've discovered that some of the top-dps locks on worldoflogs (destro) have been using Demon Soul: Imp like 5+ times during a 5 minute combat
Examples^
1World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis 4.28 fighttime, 5 buffs gained
2World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis 4.10 fighttime, 4 buffs gained

I was wondering is there something what I'm missing (cause with cd=2min u can only have 3 Demon souls during 4 minuntes) or just front page of the site consists of complete fake logs?

krno · 02/13/12, 8:30 PM

Take a look onto the uptimes:
Demon Soul: Imp 5 60.4 22.4 %
Demon Soul: Imp 4 60.0 21.2 %
So guess wrong number through Heroic Will, dunno.

netsach · 02/14/12, 1:57 AM

Click the # link near the demon soul : imp in the buff cast tab, you'll see it's up 3 times only.

Furthermore use the following XE query : spell="Demon Soul: Imp"

[19:59:38.625] Nocy gains Demon Soul: Imp from Nocy
[19:59:58.820] Nocy's Demon Soul: Imp fades from Nocy
[20:01:40.081] Nocy gains Demon Soul: Imp from Nocy
[20:01:40.081] Nocy's Demon Soul: Imp is refreshed by Nocy
[20:02:00.152] Nocy's Demon Soul: Imp fades from Nocy
[20:03:43.034] Nocy gains Demon Soul: Imp from Nocy
[20:03:43.034] Nocy's Demon Soul: Imp is refreshed by Nocy
[20:04:03.145] Nocy's Demon Soul: Imp fades from Nocy

You'll see there is a refresh line right at the same time as "gains" line.
So 3 gains line = 3 casts real casts
But the two 2 additionnal (wow-bug) "refresh" lines makes WOL show 5.