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Old 08/06/11, 9:47 PM   #226
Ruthenia
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warlock
 
Blackhand
Waiting to use metamorphosis with moonwell chalice yields 1100 DPS

Changed actions+=/metamorphosis

to

actions+=/metamorphosis,if=buff.moonwell_chalice.up

I ran sims from 450 seconds to 770 seconds in 20 second intervals and the DPS increase held.

This does change your stat priorities. Mastery > Crit > Haste

Last edited by Ruthenia : 08/07/11 at 4:36 AM.

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Old 08/08/11, 6:15 PM   #227
Varnius
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
Depending on how quickly the health percentages go by in various stages (and I'm assuming they go by quicker in P4 than in any other phase), that actually *reduces* the percentage of time he's below 35%.

But it doesn't matter, the thesis is that the only truly important DPS race is those 141 seconds in P3.
While it's absolutely true that the most challenging stone wall of the fight is the race to beat the 3rd meteor spawn in P3, there is typically an additional 220-230 seconds in P4 where the boss is below 35%. This is still a DPS race of sorts, except instead of racing against a timer you're racing against the essential soft enrage that occurs when the platform is covered in dreadflame, which is usually somewhere around the point where the raid moves into the 6th breadth of frost patch.

So, there is still a significant sense of urgency to get the boss down before the platform is overwhelmed with dreadflame.

The overall period of time where the boss is below 35% is somewhere around 370 seconds if you combine P3 and P4.

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Old 08/10/11, 7:46 PM   #228
Scaron
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Pandaren Monk
 
Illidan
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but a few pages back there was some talk of both the Doomguard and Metamorphosis snapshotting temporary Mastery and Spellpower / Int buffs. I haven't seen a post where that was refuted. I can't speak to the Doomguard issue, however, some in-game target dummy testing today seemed to lead me to the conclusion that Metamorphosis was in fact not snapshotting mastery.

At least, it did not seem to be doing so based on the numbers in my character pane. When my moonwell chalice buff wore off my mastery dropped back to normal levels even though I was still under the effect of Meta. Is this an instance where the blizzard UI is giving me inaccurate information or does Meta not snapshot mastery?

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Old 08/10/11, 10:29 PM   #229
Meegosh
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Orc Warlock
 
Illidan (EU)
Your Doomguard indeed snapshots mastery and spellpower and your meta indeed snapshots mastery (not spellpower though). Of course when the buff fades, your mastery goes down to the initial level. However, your meta still has the +% dmg corresponding to the mastery you had when activating it. You can easily check that using Bane of Doom for instance (since its damage is constant), casting it once right after you used your meta and still have the +mast bonus and then casting it at the end of your meta, when your +mast bonus faded (checking of course that you have no procs up).

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Old 08/11/11, 5:29 AM   #230
netsach
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Gnome Warlock
 
Dalaran (EU)
I'll soon be getting the Moonweel Chalice, and i've been using the synapse springs which are macroed to my spells. As both don't stack, i'm wondering how i could manage the tinker so it doesn't accidentally prevent the chalice use, which could eventually delay mwc/meta use. I hope there's a trick besides "manage the tinker manually". Is macro'ing the tinker while wearing the chalice really a problem ? If so do you have an idea to solve the above problem ? Thanks in advance.

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Old 08/11/11, 6:14 AM   #231
VoidStar
Piston Honda
 
Human Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by netsach View Post
I'll soon be getting the Moonweel Chalice, and i've been using the synapse springs which are macroed to my spells. As both don't stack, i'm wondering how i could manage the tinker so it doesn't accidentally prevent the chalice use, which could eventually delay mwc/meta use. I hope there's a trick besides "manage the tinker manually". Is macro'ing the tinker while wearing the chalice really a problem ? If so do you have an idea to solve the above problem ? Thanks in advance.
I assume you mean the fact that activating either the tinker or the trinket inhibits your ability to use the other for 20 seconds? If so then I'm afraid there is no automatic solution.

Given that you can use the Chalice anywhere up to 20 seconds before you cast Meta and then you'll want to use the springs during each Meta and between Metas I'm afraid it seems that to gain the best benefit and least potential for interference you'll need to use them manually.

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Old 08/12/11, 4:50 AM   #232
Jërry
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Jërry
Gnome Warlock
 
Gundrak
Single Target
Currently, the Felhunter is the highest single target DPS demon
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Does this mean that the Felhunter deals more dps than Felguard in single-target instances ONLY or does this mean a higher overall dps will be achieved when using Felhunter in single-target instances? In other words, has the effect of Demon Soul of both the Felhunter and Felguard been considered?

Since being buff by 33% in patch 4.0.6, Mastery is a relatively strong stat now, not as good as haste at lower gear levels (normal mode raid gear), better than haste at higher gear levels (heroic raid gear).
I noticed that this hasn't been changed since patch 4.2 came out and I was wondering if "higher gear levels (heroic raid gear)" was referring to BWD/BoT heroic mode, meaning that Mastery>Haste generally with current FL normal gear OR is this still valid and is referring to the current FL heroic mode?

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Old 08/12/11, 10:12 AM   #233
angaroth
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Undead Warlock
 
Twisting Nether
My understanding is that it is still worthwhile to make sure that you hit the haste thresholds but you really want mastery in between. My experience with Wrath was that very high haste makes the game more fun and engaging - psychological factors which might increase your dps through positive feedback. This being EJ, of course, it can be assumed you are a robot with microsecond precision.

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Old 08/14/11, 12:29 AM   #234
Gilgrissom
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Blackmoore (EU)
The first post is slightly outdated. The optimal "rotation" (used by the BiS profile included in Simcraft) for Demonology switches to the Felguard (by hardcasting it) right before using Demon Soul (and Metamorphosis) and then using Soulburn to switch back to the Felhunter right after the Felstorm of the Felguard has worn off (while in Metamorphosis). This will let you gain the benefit of the stronger Demon Soul while at the same time let the Felhunter contribute its incredible DPS (about 8k for the BiS profile).

On the same note, the scale factors have changed with the changed playstyle. If you are syncing up Metamorphosis with Demon Soul and your Moonwell Chalice (which you should), Haste looses a lot of its value, because you will not be able to use additional Impending Doom procs after reducing the Metamorphosis cooldown to 2 minutes. This can be seen in these two reports: Delaying vs Not Delaying. For some reason, the BiS profile does behave differently. It makes virtually no difference if you wait for the Trinkets/DS to get ready or if you just use Metamorphosis on CD, the scale factors do not change relative to eachother. My hypothesis would be that this is because the BiS profile has a lot higher Mastery:Haste ratio than I currently do (BiS 1.49*, me 1.15) and that 1.5 is the magical "break even ratio" between Mastery and Haste. The only haste threshold I am above and the BiS profile is below is the 10th Corrution tick with Bloodlust. This should not be a big deal, considering it will not save us even one global cooldown in the 40 seconds that bloodlust is up (Simcraft reports: With, Without).

So in essence: Once you obtain the Moonwell Chalice, sync up Metamorphosis with your Trinkets/Racials/Demon Soul and go for Mastery. I think.

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Old 08/14/11, 7:10 PM   #235
Tanthndis
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Orc Warlock
 
Frostmourne
Originally Posted by Gilgrissom View Post
The first post is slightly outdated. The optimal "rotation" (used by the BiS profile included in Simcraft) for Demonology switches to the Felguard (by hardcasting it) right before using Demon Soul (and Metamorphosis) and then using Soulburn to switch back to the Felhunter right after the Felstorm of the Felguard has worn off (while in Metamorphosis). This will let you gain the benefit of the stronger Demon Soul while at the same time let the Felhunter contribute its incredible DPS (about 8k for the BiS profile).
Do we do this each CD or only during BL?. i also have a question on another site they have a BIS list for normal and H gear the H has moonwell while the normal dosent is this EJ's idea of a Bis setup also or dose this vary?.

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Old 08/15/11, 9:36 AM   #236
Gilgrissom
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Blackmoore (EU)
We are doing this every CD as long as we have Soulshards. Assuming you are presharding, you can do this 4 times, or at minutes 0, 2, 4 and 6. As you are hardcasting the pet a couple of times, picking up Master Summoner is now a DPS increase. This has not been updated either in the original post.

You will have to make your own gear decisions, the trinkets are compared in the Simulationcraft thread.

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Old 08/16/11, 1:26 PM   #237
afkpuz
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Human Warlock
 
Moonrunner
Question regarding demon summoning.

Which stats do demons check when summoning?

Cause I'm thinking that if your demon takes a snapshot of certain stats, if would be wise to line up your procs and soulburn summon an new one, similar to what we do with the doom guard. We have procs that can modify int, SP, haste and mastery. Surely demon summoning checks some of those. Thoughts?

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Old 08/16/11, 2:46 PM   #238
 Zakalwe
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Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Real pets (as opposed to guardians, like the doomguard) do not snapshot any stats, they update dynamically.

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Old 08/17/11, 5:28 AM   #239
blgdinger
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Deathwing
Originally Posted by Ruthenia View Post
Waiting to use metamorphosis with moonwell chalice yields 1100 DPS

Changed actions+=/metamorphosis

to

actions+=/metamorphosis,if=buff.moonwell_chalice.up

I ran sims from 450 seconds to 770 seconds in 20 second intervals and the DPS increase held.

This does change your stat priorities. Mastery > Crit > Haste
Yeah I'm going to have to say that this needs more attention. Using that modified line seems to be interesting. In my gear, sitting at 2008 haste, I was simmed at 34257dps. With 1 gem swapped so I would be at 1988 haste (5 shy of the corruption haste threshold) I was simmed at 34127dps, and mastery was simmed better than haste in both scenarios. I then made a profile that was at 1597 haste and the rest reforged into mastery and it come out as 34145 dps.

I think that the last profile I had created might be better when done by a player because although the doomguard was simmed with more damage, an actual player would make it do thousands more dps, plus your pet should be doing significantly more dps as well.

In a nutshell, I think when you have chalice the 1993 haste threshold is overrated and you are probably better off just going bananas with mastery. That modified condition really is changing the ballgame on haste vs mastery. I'll come back next week with logs when I completely switch up my stats.

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Old 08/18/11, 4:41 AM   #240
Nathanyel
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Tauren Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
This question may come off as a tad noobish, but how viable is it to refresh BoD just before Meta runs out?

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