Demonology in Cataclysm (4.3 Release) - Page 22

Kzanol · 01/23/12, 5:54 AM

Maybe you should try to read these threefolded range lines advicing which haste thresholds to head for like: 'Almost any reasonable reforging within this range of ilvl will most probably put your haste rating near <haste threshold> anyway. So do yourself a favour and stay on top of this very rating, as you gain an extra GCD every xyz recasts'. E.g. wowreforge has put my lock (ilvl 392) to 1575 haste rating with just 'hit to cap and mastery>haste>crit' setting after optimization run. There's a 'Your mileage may vary' disclamer given before.

And yes, this comes down to just a free Incinerate roughly every 2.5 minutes, assuming we are still talking about rather pure patchwork-like encounters.

Gakpad · 01/23/12, 3:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kzanol

Maybe you should try to read these threefolded range lines advicing which haste thresholds to head for like: 'Almost any reasonable reforging within this range of ilvl will most probably put your haste rating near <haste threshold> anyway. So do yourself a favour and stay on top of this very rating, as you gain an extra GCD every xyz recasts'. E.g. wowreforge has put my lock (ilvl 392) to 1575 haste rating with just 'hit to cap and mastery>haste>crit' setting after optimization run. There's a 'Your mileage may vary' disclamer given before.

And yes, this comes down to just a free Incinerate roughly every 2.5 minutes, assuming we are still talking about rather pure patchwork-like encounters.

However it is only the corruption thresholds that have any bearing on single target dps since under normal circumstances immolate is only cast once and then refreshed incidentally with HoG for the remainder of the fight.

Pyryte · 01/25/12, 4:32 PM

So currently, Pet-twisting is only optimal with Moonwell Chalice. However, there are certain fights where you hold off on meta for increased damage burn phases, with this in mind, do you think it would be viable to pet twist during these scenarios?

A perfect example would be Zon'ozz. In general, people are delaying meta to line up with his increased damage burn phase. Do you think it would be worth hard-casting a felguard out ~6 seconds before the burn phase, then demon soul/meta going into the burn burn phase?

I plan on running some LFR tonight to get a few Zon'ozz kills trying the pet-twisting strategy, and not, then comparing them to get a better idea whether this will perform better dps or not.

strikes_ · 01/26/12, 6:47 PM

A perfect example would be Zon'ozz. In general, people are delaying meta to line up with his increased damage burn phase. Do you think it would be worth hard-casting a felguard out ~6 seconds before the burn phase, then demon soul/meta going into the burn burn phase?

If you can easily get Demon Soul and Meta to line up just before the black burn phase, you might as well do it.

kalîka · 01/31/12, 5:16 AM

Hey folks, its the first time posting here, if any of it does not fit the demo topic then i am realy sorry & if the question has been asked already then once again i am sorry.

Now from one lock to many i sit with a question. Yesterday we did Spine hc but i am not a demo fan at all.
Its been told to me a demo i great at the Tendons but i am not realy that convinced, weither it is gear related or not remains a questionmark for now.

We are with 2 demo locks, me who has an ilvl of 391 and a demo lock of ilvl 401 i believe.
Our damage on the tendon is obviously different but then i am talking about a gap of 600-900k from me and 900-1.5m from him.
You only have like what ? 19 seconds to burn the tendon ? So ye a demo lock has to pop he CD's like 2-3s before the tendon reveals itself and then start to burn it but the question now is how can i approach this properly ?

me and the other lock had a chat and came to the conclusion doing the following
Pot -> Trinket -> Demon Soul -> Metamorph -> Incin 1x -> BoD -> DG -> Felstorm -> Leap -> Immo Aura -> Soulburn Felpup -> Incin spam

We didnt do it this way yet and well if you only have several seconds the time to burn the tendon, wouldnt Destro be bether ?

Rublik · 01/31/12, 7:58 AM

Destro and Afli are suboptimal for damaging tendons.
For max perfomance of demo following gear is very helpfull: 4 t13, moonwell chalice, either of the badge use trinkets, enough gear for 2000+ haste, everithing else reforged to hit cap and mastery.
The best priority for tendons is following:
For 1st, 3rd and 5th opening, Felguard active:
-At 10-15% of amalgamation use chalice,
-3 seconds to the end of chalice buff pot is used (best bet 3rd tendon, 5th opening)
-use doomguard on the 1st and 5th opening with 2t13, else on 5th opening (i don't use any intellect buffs for this pet on this boss, it's not worthwhile for 19 stconds of tendon)
-use meta
-use macro with soulburn, use trinket and orc buff (this should happen after death of amalgamation, second before opening tendon
-use immo aura
Tendon opens:
Inci (for 5% crit debuff) - doom - felstorm - immo - corr - hog - shadowflame - inci - inci - ....
When felstorm finishes you should change pets with active soul burn to felhunter with the active assist, it will bite tendon twice.
For 2nd, 4th and 6th opening, Felhunter active:
Chalice cd will be up shortly before tendon, so use it when amalgamation dies
-use meta
-use macro with soulburn and orc buff
-use immo aura
Tendon opens:
doom if target 40%hp+, if less don't bother - Inci (for 5% crit debuff) - immo - corr - hog - shadowflame - inci - inci - ....
In order to have meta each opening, you need at least 2000 haste, some luck and higher pririoty for fillers (inci - soulfire - hog) on amalgamation and blood.
Have log of 6,3 million damage to tendon in 25 ppl, which was the best result for demo warlock in world of logs two weeks ago World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
PS Everything i wrote works only if you main goal is to damage tendon, overall damage is horrible.

turturin · 01/31/12, 6:00 PM

A couple of clarifying points to Rublik's post above:
1. You actually want to use potion/blood fury/spellpower trinket prior to soulburn in your macro to get the most out of the 10% spellpower increase from 4pc T13, then pop demon soul.
2. Use the doomguard prior to the appearance of the tendon, his duration is longer than the tendon's so there is no point to using that GCD while the tendon is already out.
3. macro your first ability (CoE, incin, or BoD depending on your raid comp) with petattack like this: /target Burning Tendon/petattack/cast [spellname]. Clear your target prior to the tendon appearing and spam this macro to ensure the most possible uptime on your target for you and the pet.
4. on lifts 2 and 4 make sure you use soulfire before the soulburn runs out so that your shard is refunded.
5. Spec incinerate. Unglyph metamorphosis in favor of corruption glyph for nightfall procs.
6. try to spread some immolates and corruptions around right as the amalg is dying/during nuclear blast. Additional molten core and nightfall procs will help your dps.
7. Hardcast your FG directly after the 2nd and 4th lift when the plate flies off and don't forget to reapply soul link.

Werst · 02/06/12, 7:03 PM

I have been simming trinkets and various gearing plots between my present gearing (394'ish ilvl) and theoretical BiS setups. In both 0/31/10 and 3/31/7 specs I'm seeing heroic insignia + heroic cunning coming out ahead of the traditional cunning+heroic will by a couple hundred dps. 432-1 simcraft, 450 duration, vary 20%, elite skill, all raid buffs/debuffs, 10K iterations, standard/default priority. Not having to stack will might be a small gain but as I understand it h.will is modeled as being at full stacks in simcraft. Am I missing something?

Junlex · 02/07/12, 1:11 PM

Due to rounding I guess, 1993 isn't the corruption breakpoint. At 1994 I was getting 24.99% haste with DI and Mind Quickening, at 1995 I get 25.00% and my corruption increases in duration.

Edit: disregard this post, Keldion is correct. With 1993 haste, 3% from DI and 5% from the aura my character sheet haste is 24.98% but my corruption does indeed still get the extra tick.

Keldion · 02/07/12, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Junlex

Due to rounding I guess, 1993 isn't the corruption breakpoint. At 1994 I was getting 24.99% haste with DI and Mind Quickening, at 1995 I get 25.00% and my corruption increases in duration.

With DI and the 5% haste aura, Corruption spikes to a 19.2 second duration at 1993.

Eph · 02/09/12, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Werst

I have been simming trinkets and various gearing plots between my present gearing (394'ish ilvl) and theoretical BiS setups. In both 0/31/10 and 3/31/7 specs I'm seeing heroic insignia + heroic cunning coming out ahead of the traditional cunning+heroic will by a couple hundred dps. 432-1 simcraft, 450 duration, vary 20%, elite skill, all raid buffs/debuffs, 10K iterations, standard/default priority. Not having to stack will might be a small gain but as I understand it h.will is modeled as being at full stacks in simcraft. Am I missing something?

I'm also finding a 300-400 dps increase using ICM along with COC in my own 397 and SimC BIS profiles. Some simple tests lead me to believe that this is due to the Doomguard gaining extra attacks, but I may be interpreting the results incorrectly.

Gakpad · 02/10/12, 3:48 PM

My guess would be that demo's strong doomguards coupled with being able to pair Doomguard with the haste proc at the beginning of the fight would cause it to sim better than WoU, coupled with the fact that WoU won't be at full stacks by the time you pop your first Doomguard. I don't know, WoU seems to be quite a bit lower dps for all specs than I'd have assumed according to simcraft.

edit: easiest way to test the doomguard theory would be to run the comparisons twice, once with doomguard in the action list and once without

Eph · 02/10/12, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by Gakpad

edit: easiest way to test the doomguard theory would be to run the comparisons twice, once with doomguard in the action list and once without

That was the test I had done. The outcome was that the ranking results were reversed. The Doomguard gains more from ICM than WoU and the rest of the spells don't outweigh that benefit.

Werst · 02/10/12, 5:53 PM

The doomguard seems to be the difference. With no doomguard and identical profiles H.Will comes out ahead of H.Insignia by ~200dps. Thus a ~400'ish dps swing due to how the doomguard is modeled. Going to model dest and aff similarly but as its offtopic here PM me if you want to discuss results.

Karsteck · 02/12/12, 1:57 AM

Originally Posted by turturin

A couple of clarifying points to Rublik's post above:
1. You actually want to use potion/blood fury/spellpower trinket prior to soulburn in your macro to get the most out of the 10% spellpower increase from 4pc T13, then pop demon soul.

The 4T13 buff is a multiplier, not a +10%snapshot of what you had when you popped soulburn. I tested this with synapse springs: popping soulburn before or after activating the int buff gave me the same total spellpower on my character sheet.

5. Spec incinerate. Unglyph metamorphosis in favor of corruption glyph for nightfall procs.

You mean take improved corruption instead of bane, or just glyph incinerate? So the stronger corr ticks make up for the extra 1/2 second of cast time on immolate every tendon? How short a time does a target have to be up before it's better to keep bane?