Demonology in Cataclysm (4.3 Release) - Page 23

Eph · 02/12/12, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by Karsteck

You mean take improved corruption instead of bane, or just glyph incinerate? So the stronger corr ticks make up for the extra 1/2 second of cast time on immolate every tendon? How short a time does a target have to be up before it's better to keep bane?

This isn't about buffing Corruption. You don't need the extended duration on Metamorphosis for this fight so the glyph is worth less than the Corruption glyph procing instant Shadow Bolts and less than the Incinerate glyph allowing you to use for Incinerate filler.

My limited testing has actually shown that using the Bane and not Improved Corruption is more dps in this situation, but I trust that the other posters have looked into it much further than I have.

Karsteck · 02/13/12, 9:57 AM

@Eph, glyph choice is obvious, spec choice wasn't. I was replying to someone that said "spec incin". So thanks for your thoughts on Bane.

on another tangent, I'm finding that normal SB-demo spec sims within 10 DPS for me, on a 300 sec fight (i.e. H zon'ozz and H ultrax) with several trinket choices (all will of unbinding + w/e). On longer fights the number of extra metas you can get out of incin spec without syncing meta + DS prob. takes the advantage, but you get 4 metas with either spec at around 2k haste, with dragonwrath for extra impending doom procs, on a 6 min fight. Will sim again and make another post since I just got some upgrades that allow me to get more mastery and less haste.

unrelated: just updated my insta-felhunter macro to do:

/cast [nomod:alt] soulburn
/cast Summon Felhunter
/petattack

Now my felhunter always shadow bites my target the instant he's out, and I don't have to spam another button that has petattack macroed. Now watch me replace moonwell and stop pet twisting on most fights... :P

I have noticed that my felguard will often fail to legion strike after felstorm is over. It is set to autocast. Manually clicking it before hitting my insta-felhunter, after felstorm, does get it to cast. I'll test next time I'm on putting /cast legion strike before summon felhunter in my soulburn felhunter macro.

edit: of course when I go to test this on a target dummy, it legion strike casts fine after felstorm ends. Often not the case on boss pulls in raids. I sometimes watch for legion strike going on CD to know when to consume soulburn with felhunter during my opening rotation, and it doesn't always happen, even when the CD on felstorm is down to 37 seconds. (it should end at 39 secs left, 45 - 6 = 39)

Faeye · 02/19/12, 10:21 AM

I'm having some trouble with Immolation aura.
For some reason my fellow warlock's immolation aura has a DPET of 100k
Tho mine only has a DPET of 70k.

I've ran SimCraft several times to be sure.
I've compared everything and we're just about the same stat wise.
the only thing he has I don't is the legendary staff.

Is there anything I'm missing? Why is his DPET of Immolation Aura much higher than mine?
I'm comparing Grifangar with myself, Faeye. Some assistance would be appreciated.

Keldion · 02/19/12, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Faeye

I'm having some trouble with Immolation aura.
For some reason my fellow warlock's immolation aura has a DPET of 100k
Tho mine only has a DPET of 70k.

I've ran SimCraft several times to be sure.
I've compared everything and we're just about the same stat wise.
the only thing he has I don't is the legendary staff.

Is there anything I'm missing? Why is his DPET of Immolation Aura much higher than mine?
I'm comparing Grifangar with myself, Faeye. Some assistance would be appreciated.

Simcraft will assume you demon swap in the presence of Moonwell Chalice. The Felguard's Demon Soul effect is 15% haste and 10% fire/shadow damage.

Faeye · 02/19/12, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Keldion

Simcraft will assume you demon swap in the presence of Moonwell Chalice. The Felguard's Demon Soul effect is 15% haste and 10% fire/shadow damage.

SO the fact that his Immolation aura does more DPET is solely because he's using MWC, while I'm using WoU and CoC?

krno · 02/19/12, 6:26 PM

When MWC is equipped, SimCraft assumes you time your Meta and DS and swap pets, so SimCraft will always calculate his Immolation Aura with Demon Soul: Felguard and MWC buffed Meta.

♦ Blacksen · 04/02/12, 2:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jmickey

Reaching the haste thresholds for Corrution does provide an increase and should generally be achieved.

I wanted to briefly challenge this. It feels inconsistent from the current SimulationCraft setup and results. From the action priority list:

corruption,if=(remains<tick_time|!ticking)&target.time_to_die>=6&miss_react

You also examine this in the DoT refreshing section as well - the bolded part is to account for the fact that you can refresh your DoT's via clipping without penalty.

With that, is it still beneficial to reach the corruption haste plateau if you're able to consistently get the refresh in time?

Junlex · 04/02/12, 9:37 PM

At 1992, a corruption lasts 16.8ish seconds and ticks 7 times, at 1993 it lasts 19.2 seconds and ticks 8 times. So at 1992 the condition you quoted is met roughly 14.4 seconds after you first apply corruption, at 1993 at roughly 16.8 seconds after you first apply corruption. So at 1993 you refresh corruption less frequently, leading to casting your filler more, hence it's worth reaching it. Might be completely misunderstanding your point, but it seems like that's what you're asking about.

Karsteck · 04/04/12, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Junlex

At 1992, a corruption lasts 16.8ish seconds and ticks 7 times, at 1993 it lasts 19.2 seconds and ticks 8 times. So at 1992 the condition you quoted is met roughly 14.4 seconds after you first apply corruption, at 1993 at roughly 16.8 seconds after you first apply corruption. So at 1993 you refresh corruption less frequently, leading to casting your filler more, hence it's worth reaching it. Might be completely misunderstanding your point, but it seems like that's what you're asking about.

Yeah, I think that's what Blacksen was asking. Being just past the threshold for an extra tick = more time for fillers. Way back when I hadn't understood dots and haste correctly, the key was realizing that dots always tick right as they expire. There's no time window where the dot has had the last tick but hasn't expired yet. The reason of course is that the duration scales to match the tickspeed. I'm not sure why this wasn't obvious to me, but if I recall correctly, I did manage to get myself confused about it for a while.

Meegosh · 04/21/12, 9:17 PM

A little trick which is pretty easy to use and I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere : for those of you using MWC as only a mastery pull trinket, you can use its serverlag component to equip a static mastery trinket and meta before the buff disappears so you should be able to gain 458 mastery with Fire of the Deep (for instance).

zinnin · 04/21/12, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Meegosh

A little trick which is pretty easy to use and I don't think I've seen it mentioned anywhere : for those of you using MWC as only a mastery pull trinket, you can use its serverlag component to equip a static mastery trinket and meta before the buff disappears so you should be able to gain 458 mastery with Fire of the Deep (for instance).

You can do this with a full set of gear, not just another trinket.

Edit: Or do you mean in the same slot?

Meegosh · 04/21/12, 11:18 PM

In the same slot of course, the point being to get 2158 mastery out of that trinket slot instead of only 1700.

Bâphomet · 04/22/12, 2:58 AM

Originally Posted by Meegosh

In the same slot of course, the point being to get 2158 mastery out of that trinket slot instead of only 1700.

I don't mean to sound dense, but could you go into a little more detail here? If I activate the MWC but then equip another trinket in its slot, I lose the buff from MWC.

zinnin · 04/22/12, 5:50 AM

Originally Posted by Bâphomet

I don't mean to sound dense, but could you go into a little more detail here? If I activate the MWC but then equip another trinket in its slot, I lose the buff from MWC.

Lets say you have one equipset with moonwell chalice, and another with a passive mastery trinket in the same slot. You can macro:

/equipset passivetrinket
/cast metamorphosis

and 90% of the time it will add MWC (1700 mastery) and the passive mastery bonus of another trinket say, fire of the deep (458 mastery) for a bonus of 2158 mastery instead of 1700 for the one trinket slot.

The point of it is that you don't lose the on use benefit for about ~1s after switching trinkets, so you gain the benefit of two trinkets.

In my testing of that macro it never got rid of the 1700 from MWC, and only sometime didn't add the 458 mastery, so nothing to lose.

Meegosh · 04/22/12, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by zinnin

/equipset passivetrinket
/cast metamorphosis

Just be careful, you probably want to equip your combat set right after metamorphosis and that would not be possible if you equipset just before , the macro would look like (if you have MWC in slot 13) :

/equip passivetrinket
/cast Metamorphosis
/equipset combatset
etc