Destruction in Cataclysm (4.3 Release) - Page 22

Mattameus · 02/20/12, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dregg

I doubt anyone would be THAT dumb to overwrite BOH with BOD and then be surprised to not have BOH deal damage.

True Story.

Originally Posted by Dregg

E.g. Morchok HC among the first things I do after the Pull, is throwing up BOH on Morchok, as I am usually in the "left" group who is then DPSing the "twin". About half of the time, by the end of the fight, BOH has done close to 1,5 Mio Dmg. In other fights, it is exactly 0 - and my DPS drops to the low 30s instead of ~40k. It really stinks and it would be nice to have an explanation.

Precisely what happened to me last week now that you mention it.

Originally Posted by Dregg

I will try the "apply BOH before anything else" idea but am not convinced.
E.g. I never noticed such a behaviour during the Nefarian encounter where I would switch BOD/BOH between Nef and Ony several times. Possible this bug was introduced with 4.2 or 4.3 patch ?

I also believe it to be a recent bug. Best example I have is from BoT the dragons (drawing a blank on their names). I made a macro for BoH that would apply BoH, Focus the target, then /targetlasttarget. Basically making it very simple to swap back and forth and apply BoH. This worked perfectly on any & every boss (as best i recall) until Dragon Soul.

My solution recently has been to apply BoH.. then look for the little dmg numbers.. if nothing.. then re-apply. I still believe that to be higher dps than going without BoH at all.

I COULD be wrong about the following but I think this might provide some proof/insight:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (click the Buffs cast tab, then click the # sign next to Bane of Havoc to view graph.)

Thats a graph that shows the Zonozz fight. It shows 4 periods where BoH was "active" on a target. It also says I cast BoH 6 times. During the 3rd phase where BoH was active I don't see the dps spike that I would expect to see based on the other phases. (could also be me just screwing up my rotation)

Another possibility is that the first BoH I applied did not take as the times don't appear to line up when I compare the link above with the link below.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

(we do 5 stacks each time... hence why we have such a stupidly slow kill time. But it works for us considering we usually only have 2 ranged dps)

PutressENJIN · 02/21/12, 10:00 AM

[quote=Dregg;2101359]I doubt anyone would be THAT dumb to overwrite BOH with BOD and then be surprised to not have BOH deal damage. And are you sure you never had that problem before ? I'd bet you just never checked / noticed ?

Well honestly I don't see any other explanation. The 2 other locks that I raid with are both primary Destruction and have not experienced any problems with damage being distributed via BoH. We go over logs pretty thoroughly as well and haven't noticed any problems since we frequent the ej forums a lot and noticed this issue being brought up. I am just giving my 2 cents on the issue.

Brumo · 02/21/12, 10:15 AM

I've had BoH not working for me several times. Even managed to recreate it several times on dummies. So the bug do exsist. As far as I've noticed it doesn't matter if you have damaged it before, BoH just decides it won't work and only thing you can do is reapply it.

Morninglory · 02/21/12, 6:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dregg

Anyone else having issues with Bane of Havoc being on a target, but not delivering any damage ?

Noticed it on Hagara HC (DPSing one pillar, having Havoc placed on another pillar, while standing in the middle). Today I monitored it, and after casting BOH for the 4th time on the same pillar, it finally started to actually deal damage.

I do not believe it is a range issue, as on Morchok HC, I have seen BOH work fine over much longer distances.
But also on this fight, I have occasionally experienced the same problem: BOH is cast on the Boss, is shown as debuff, but doesn't contribute any damage.

My fellow Warlocks in our guild have experienced the same, but we couldn't figure out what the reason might be, and how to prevent this. Ideas anybody ??

Yes, it happened to me last week on Morchok. Here's proof.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

BoH ~90% uptime, 0% damage.

koltara · 02/22/12, 10:46 AM

This is a known issue. BoH on Morchok, not on Kohcrom is working well. So get in the Kohcrom team.

Mattameus · 02/23/12, 10:39 AM

Tested it more this week. It appears although I could have missed something.. that as long as BoH is the first spell YOU cast on the target.. it works. Once I even noticed that rathrak went off on a target next to the one i was about to bane.. thus spreading the debuff to that target which caused the BoH I applied seconds later to not work.

Can anyone else test/confirm/deny that applying BoH FIRST does indeed work consistently? So far so good for me.

p.s. I believe I even have video of the rathrak incident. I will try to crop it and provide a link.

PutressENJIN · 02/24/12, 1:12 PM

Still trying to recreate this and having no luck. I've talked to quite a few locks on my server and no one has had any problems with this. So it seems it is not a class wide issue.

TehFran · 02/25/12, 3:27 AM

New to Destruction. I'm still trying to figure out where exactly should I place Bane of Havok in different encounters.

Obvious Kochrom is obvious. But besides that.

Yor'Sahj when I'm AoEing the black adds is obvious too, but should I put it on the fat guy when I'm switching into the drops, or should I leave Bane of Doom on him and Agony the drop?

Havoking the last pillar on Hagara frost phase is logical too, as is havoking the second boulder when two raid members are frozen.

Havoking DW's soon to be cadaver on madness: okay too.

Ultraxion: um. Yeah. Nothing to see here.

But what about the rest? Havok on Blackthorn, okay, but what about the adds - am I supposed to havok the second dragon?

Oh, and the spine. Spine's a mess.

Bobtheflea · 02/25/12, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by TehFran

But what about the rest? Havok on Blackthorn, okay, but what about the adds - am I supposed to havok the second dragon?

I recommend for Blackhorn that you put BoH on Goriona in the beginning. It will equal about 750k damage on Goriona.

Syrjyys · 02/26/12, 5:21 AM

That works on normal on hc Havoc on Blackhorn is the way to go. And about Havoc working on Morchok, now 3 tickets later it's said to be a known bug and it will be fixed in "next" patch... Also I'm not 100% sure about this but same bug seem to occur on Madness if there is one platform between you and tentancle with havoc...

Morninglory · 02/26/12, 9:06 AM

Originally Posted by Syrjyys

That works on normal on hc Havoc on Blackhorn is the way to go.

Actually, you want it on Goriona to start, and then swap it to Blackhorn and DPS Goriona once he lands.

Milla · 04/12/12, 3:47 PM

Hello there fellow warlocks

My guild is currently working on heroic Spine so was wondering if you have any good tips how to squeeze some extra dps. My trinkets in this fight are Bottled Wishes + Will of Unbinding normal.On tendon I use demon soul+trinket+soulburn buff and immolate+conflagrate+inci spam.

I raid as destro for replenishment buff but if demo or affli is significantly better for this I guess I could give it a go.

Austin23 · 04/13/12, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Milla

Hello there fellow warlocks

My guild is currently working on heroic Spine so was wondering if you have any good tips how to squeeze some extra dps. My trinkets in this fight are Bottled Wishes + Will of Unbinding normal.On tendon I use demon soul+trinket+soulburn buff and immolate+conflagrate+inci spam.

I raid as destro for replenishment buff but if demo or affli is significantly better for this I guess I could give it a go.

Affliction should perform well on spine, as well as demo. As Affliction, you can CoE a nearby add before lifts so tendon spawns with Jinx, saving a GCD in your opener. You can soulburn a SoC onto pack of adds (remember to use soul shatter) right before lift to ensure 100% uptime on Eradication during burn. Using soul swap off of the Amalgamation with Bane of Doom/Corruption/UA onto the tendon and then using Shadowflame on CD/Shadow Bolt should provide solid damage.

Demo is simply a matter of making sure you have as much mastery as possible (moonwell chalice is nice) and praying for impending doom procs. You problably won't have meta for every lift though, save your doomguard for a lift where meta is on CD.

One thing to Mention about Destruction on this fight is that you have Shadowfury. This spell is extremely useful to reduce the damage your tanks are taking from the bloods, particularly on the third plate. However, Destruction probably provides the least amount of tendon damage of the three specs.

krno · 04/13/12, 6:55 PM

From my experience Destru performs well on spine. First CoE, Immolate + Cor, then Conflag on CD, shadowflame on CD and spam Incin + Chaos. Try to have a Soul Fire buff on top before the Tendon spawns, and use sec before spawn Soul Burn and Demon Soul. Ofc >20% use Shadowburn.

Eøs · 07/27/12, 2:58 PM

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