[top]Enchants

netsach · 02/25/11, 1:54 PM

I received a PM telling me that proof is better than logic, because things sometimes don't behave logically, so i actually tested it againts a raid target dummy, while being naked. Sorry i'm using the french game client, here are the translations : Drain d'âme = Drain Soul, Plaie d'agonie = Bane of Agony, Plaie funeste = Bane of Doom. Only showing cast and damage entries, with BoD and BoA damage entries being snipped.

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So BoA and BoD actually contribute 6% to Drain Soul (via Soul Syphon) so the logic is respected !

jaiden26 · 02/27/11, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jmickey

Regarding this thread:

[top]Enchants

Slot	Enchant	Comments
Head	60 Int/35 crit	[Arcanum of Hyjal] - Guardians of Hyjal revered
Shoulders	50Int/25 haste	[Greater Inscription of Charged Lodestone] - Therazane exalted
Back	50 Int	[Enchant Cloak - Greater Intellect]
Chest	20 stats	[Enchant Chest - Peerless Stats]
Wrists	50 Int	Enchant name unknown at this point
Gloves	50 haste	[Enchant Gloves - Haste]
Legs	95 Int/80 Stam	[Powerful Enchanted Spellthread]
Boots	Run speed/35 mastery	[Enchant Boots - Lavawalker]
Belt	Extra socket	[Ebonsteel Belt Buckle]
Weapon	500 Int Proc	[Enchant Weapon - Power Torrent]
Offhand	40 Int	[Enchant Off-Hand - Superior Intellect]

The enchant name you are looking for here is [Enchant Bracer - Mighty Intellect]

roahn the warlock · 03/10/11, 8:31 PM

Quick question, If using Drain life, which seems to be the more powerful spec in heavy movement and overall dps do we still use succubus? I only ask because the demon soul would be kind of pointless. Unless if using drain life filler do we switch to shadow bolts during demon soul. Or, do we just use felhunter and a spec like 32/9/0 with drain life?

Lucrece · 03/11/11, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by roahn the warlock

Quick question, If using Drain life, which seems to be the more powerful spec in heavy movement and overall dps do we still use succubus? I only ask because the demon soul would be kind of pointless. Unless if using drain life filler do we switch to shadow bolts during demon soul. Or, do we just use felhunter and a spec like 32/9/0 with drain life?

The damage between the Succubus and other available pets is utterly disproportionate in the Succubu's favor. Using the Felhunter solely for Demon Soul outside of Drain Life phase is a loss in DPS.

That will change the next patch with the new felhunter, which is critting Shadowbite for as high as 60k.

It's a tad sad since it removes the succubus from becoming useful anywhere (I liked the model where succubus was pve affliction, and the felhunter would be the niche PvP pet), while simply making Demon Soul benefits spec-specific.

Blizzard works in mysterious ways, however, so just note that Succubus stays optimal still 4.1, then make a switch to the Felhunter.

That will also free up a Prime Glyph for ya.

_Drogo_ · 03/11/11, 11:01 AM

We are switch from BoA to BoD for single target but is there a certain duration of fight required for BoD to be superior or is it better than BoA even on short fights? i.e. On fights less than 15 seconds would BoA be better? Obviously it doesn't matter a whole lot on fights that short, just curious.

mrmunchiez · 03/11/11, 8:07 PM

When opening as an afflic(drain) spec, would it be beneficial to hard cast 2 shadowbolts following the haunt in order to stack shadow embrace or is it better to gain the additional 2 stacks via nightfall/glyph/additional haunt procs?

Also, when multi-dotting 2 targets (i.e nefarian/onyxia) is it more beneficial to alternate haunts (haunt duration is longer than haunt CD, so you are able to "maximize" the shadow embrace time on both targets, however you are limited to how long you can keep it on a target and for how long.) or is it more beneficial to just focus all haunts onto one target to maintain a higher stack of shadow embrace on a single target without it falling off (assuming optimal dot uptime on both targets)

Daellia · 03/15/11, 3:42 PM

You have listed 50 Haste as the enchant of choice for glove enchants, but from the Simcraft scaling factors, Haste is worth 47.79% as much as Spellpower, meaning that 50 Haste is equivalent to only 23.9 SP. Shouldn't the 28 SP enchant from Wrath then be superior?

Even for the 4.1 PTR scaling factors, 50 Haste is still only worth 27.2 SP.

Jmickey · 03/17/11, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Daellia

You have listed 50 Haste as the enchant of choice for glove enchants, but from the Simcraft scaling factors, Haste is worth 47.79% as much as Spellpower, meaning that 50 Haste is equivalent to only 23.9 SP. Shouldn't the 28 SP enchant from Wrath then be superior?

Even for the 4.1 PTR scaling factors, 50 Haste is still only worth 27.2 SP.

You are right, Provided you aren't using the 50 haste to reach a haste threshold (more important for destro than aff/demo though). I'll update the guides for now, would like to test if there are points where the haste enchant is better though.

• Meaning · 03/18/11, 5:30 PM

I think the guides should probably mention both options, seeing as how the decision is very much tied to an individual player's scale factors and could go either way depending on their current gear.

Subetei · 03/19/11, 8:46 PM

Should warlocks even be casting BoD taking into account Dark intent up times with 3 stacks? BoD contributes almost nothing to DI uptime. I was looking at my Nefarian logs and noted corruption and unstable affliction was right on the edge with enough crits to keep it 3 stacks all the time. You need 3 crits every 7 sec to keep up 3 stacks. Gherkins DI guide doesn't take into account the ability to keep up 3 stacks and you can't tell from world of logs. Just the insane no of ticks of BoA might make it better for raid dps.

Daellia · 03/21/11, 1:18 AM

You need 3 crits every 7 sec to keep up 3 stacks

A single crit refreshes the duration of the entire stack. If it is already at 3 stacks, all you need is a single crit every 7 seconds to maintain 3 stacks.

moop · 03/29/11, 7:04 PM

Originally Posted by Jmickey

During Wrath of the Lich King, DoTs did not update on a per-tick basis with boss debuffs and it was much more beneficial to open a fight by applying these debuffs (Haunt, Shadow's Embrace and Improved Shadow Bolt) before applying DoTs, however in 4.0.1 this was changed so that DoTs damage would update on the fly with boss debuffs.

This means that it is no longer beneficial to delay applying our DoTs to get these debuffs up.

Since it's a common misconception, I think this particular correction warrants a post of its own rather than a PM, as I hope it will serve to make people better aware of the situation...

Shadow and Flame still does not update on a per-tick basis and is instead treated as a self-buff for the purpose of calculating DoT's critical strike chance. The same was true back when Warlocomotif carried out his tests in Wrath of the Lich King. See my post in the Warlock Mechanics in Cataclysm thread for more information.

Estha · 03/29/11, 10:02 PM

I've got a question relating to Sinestra phase 3 and pets as affliction warlock.

As I observed, my succubus got the 100% haste buff Essence of the Red - Spell - World of Warcraft but is capped at 1,5s.
So I am considering to use the voidwalker instead. Might this be useful or am I completely wrong?

On the training dummy, the succubus shows the following stats:

lash of pain - average hit 3200; avg. crit 6400 - 1,7s swing timer

void walker:

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
melee - avg. hit 1650; avg crit 3300 - 1,7s swing timer (no sunder armor, no 4% physical dmg debuff)
torment - avg. hit 4000; avg crit 8000 - 5s CD

My idea is the following: playing phase 1+2 with succubus; popping out the VW right before the buff applies.

WilyEWarlock · 03/30/11, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by VoidStar

There is indeed a critical distinction that you're missing: as JMickey notes, DoTs now consider debuffs on the target whenever they tick. However, they still only consider buffs on the caster (or other buff-like effects) when they're cast or refreshed.

The original question was about the execute time buffs for Drain Soul and the Death's Embrace which are both considered in a "buff-like" manner, i.e. whether or not they apply is checked at cast time, not at tick time.

Taken from a question I posed in the Simple Question thread. After reading the reply from VoidStar, I saw a post by Moop in this thread about how Shadow and Flame acted like a buff, rather than a debuff, and went to test for myself.

Dummy test of 500 BoA & 250 Corruption ticks with a naked toon showed that my DoTs did not get the 5% crit bonus from Shadow and Flame when the debuff was applied after DoTs. This should in fact be changing our opening rotation to again placing SB right upfront of our DoTs, don't you think?

DoTs applied before S & F, BoA crit%: 9.3, Corruption crit%: 20.0
DoTs applied after S & F, BoA crit%: 14.1, Corruption crit%: 25.2

It's looking a lot like none of our 'debuffs' (excepting perhaps CoE?) can be taken for granted as being accounted for in damage calculations on a per tick basis, if what I've read and tested is true. In the bigger picture, how and or why does this really matter?

krilz · 04/01/11, 8:09 AM

Originally Posted by moop

Since it's a common misconception, I think this particular correction warrants a post of its own rather than a PM, as I hope it will serve to make people better aware of the situation...

Shadow and Flame still does not update on a per-tick basis and is instead treated as a self-buff for the purpose of calculating DoT's critical strike chance. The same was true back when Warlocomotif carried out his tests in Wrath of the Lich King. See my post in the Warlock Mechanics in Cataclysm thread for more information.

Maybe not warlock-related, but do you know if Critical Mass has the same issue?