Warlock Mechanics in Cataclysm - Page 2

byrel · 02/17/11, 7:23 AM

Originally Posted by Fuqup

Misc
- Chimaeron: destruction warlocks are nearly self-sustainable on this fight thanks to Soul Leech and Fel Armor. Additionally, switching to Demon Armor for 20% extra healing is beneficial during Feud phases. If you have Dark Intent on a healer during P1, switch it to another raid member in P2, as HoTs are completely ineffective in this phase.

Drain life affliction locks are completely self-sustaining when the bile-o-tron is up

also, life tapping prior to massacre if you have >10k health lets you refill your mana without causing any extra healing to need to be done

VoidStar · 02/17/11, 8:08 AM

Given the fact that the Soul Link damage redirection occurs after the amount of Massacre damage is calculated, getting above 10k shouldn't really be a problem for any of us, indeed if you're above 40k then Massacre won't even get you into the danger zone with a 25% Soul Link.

All three specs have a damage-based self-healing method and Soul Link, and if you get Caustic Slimed just before a Massacre you can always Drain Life yourself back over the 10k mark in less than Massacre's cast time anyway.

Incidentally, I wouldn't suggest Life Tapping just prior to Massacre if you're only just in the ">10k" health bracket: it'd be an embaressing way to die! As long as you're at 15% of your hp + 10k you should be fine though ;-)

Elmi · 02/17/11, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by kirafishy

it seems dark intent's dot/hot buff is not unlimited range, last week I used dark intent on a shadow priest in Conclave of Wind encounter, he was on the west wind platform and i was on the east platform, the dark intent buff didn't proc. I'll test it again this week

Pretty sure that's not true. Buffed DI on a fire mage at the Orgrimmar dummies and still got my stacks well outside Orgrimmar. That's a distance of a few 100yd.

Densar · 02/17/11, 11:44 AM

Nefarian: You cannot place portal anywhere during the encounter but you can place teleport up on the terrace and jump down (dmg is like 20%). Have to beware not teleporting too early because if you get focused by nef while u are not in los of a healer you can die up there. Otherwise when i organise groups for that fight all locks are on the pillar under the terrace so they dont have to take dmg from the lava.

Estha · 02/17/11, 11:46 AM

Omnitron Defense System:

-Destruction:
It is not recommended using Bane of Havoc on any robot that has not deactivated his shield yet except Toxitron.
Not sure: scrolling combat text displays normal Bane of Havoc damage on deactivated robots, but did not proof via Logs -> eventually needs more discussion.

Magmaw:
-Destruction:
Bane of Havoc has decent decreased effect on the Exposed head of Magmaw if not in spike phase.
Fel Synergy won't make up for ignition damage, using 'Flee' is recommended.

Nefarian
-any:
Using the "Flee" ability of your imp during phase 2 causes your pet to disappear in most cases.
Your Imp is only able to attack nefarian while not staying on a platform in phase 2 so make sure having at least one point spent in Fel Synergy if you want to maximize boss damage.

Al akir:
-any:
Infernal has no use in phase 3 and cannot even be summoned through the lack of targeting ground.

Cho'gall:
-Axe Toss does interrupt Worship correctly. Tested it pre patch 4.0.6.

Felguard:

Can still attack and 'Legion Strike" targets while in Felstorm. Tested in 4.0.6 on a training dummy.

Screenshots:

http://www.bilderkiste.org/show/orig...811_125544.jpg
http://www.bilderkiste.org/show/orig...811_125546.jpg

pelux · 02/17/11, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax

Maloriak
Omnotron heroic:
Guardian demons spawned by CoD do not follow CoD as their main target - and they can trigger Electrons shield.

Hitting "Pet Follow" then "Pet Attack" will reassign the spawned demon to the correct target.

clavarnway · 02/18/11, 1:02 AM

Regarding Ignition killing pets on Heroic Magmaw:

The meteors that spawn the Blazing Cone Constructs on Heroic Magmaw are targeted on raid members. With that given, I found the place to put my Imp so that he require the least micro-management possible was along the very edges of one of the walls. This area is the least likely to have a raid member pass by, and thus attract a Meteor (which spawns Ignition fire patches). My Imp's lost DPS time due to movement dropped drastically once I started doing that. It depends on how your raid does the fight, but the overarching goal is to keep your Imp out of the path of most of the raid.

zarusa · 02/18/11, 7:12 AM

Not mentioned in the first post :

Omnotron Defense System Heroic: Put BoH on every "old" bot before he starts casting the shield, new Bot spawns at 50 energy while the shield is cast at 30 or so. Maintaining Dots is obviously too very important but not allways possible due to shield mechanics. The only exeption here is Magmawtron because of his type of shield. (Ranked #1 as destruction lock with this tactic so this wont be too wrong )

Elmi · 02/18/11, 7:37 AM

Originally Posted by moop

[*]Ebon Imps spawned from Bane of Doom do not have a fixed target and can stack/trigger the shields on Arcanotron/Electron.

I always thought that Guardians (Ebon Imp, Infernal, Doomguard, Shadowy Apparition) and Totems don't trigger any of the shields effects other than Magmatron's if that's completely downed. In general everything with a pet bar triggers, everything else doesn't. Or am I mistaken here?

Edit:

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[19:17:04.541] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:17:05.926] Ebon Imp hits Electron 868
[19:17:08.009] Ebon Imp hits Electron 665
[19:17:14.476] Electron's Unstable Shield fades from Electron

[19:21:11.702] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:21:13.366] Ebon Imp hits Electron 448
[19:21:15.378] Ebon Imp hits Electron 641
[19:21:17.360] Ebon Imp hits Electron Miss
[19:21:19.374] Ebon Imp hits Electron Parry
[19:21:21.375] Ebon Imp hits Electron 854
[19:21:21.778] Electron's Unstable Shield fades from Electron

[19:11:09.645] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:11:10.107] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron 1468
[19:11:11.605] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron *2208*
[19:11:13.681] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron Miss
[19:11:14.901] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron 1486
[19:11:16.411] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron *2197*
[19:11:17.956] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron 1478
[19:11:19.740] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Electron *2209*
[19:11:19.740] Electron's Unstable Shield fades from Electron

Examples for Trigger:
[19:13:12.493] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:13:12.920] A Deep Wounds Electron 1311
[19:13:13.066] A crits Electron *22102*
[19:13:13.066] B Shield Slam Electron 41698
[19:13:13.722] B hits Electron 6070
[19:13:13.722] A Deep Wounds Electron 1103
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock B 47256 (A: 18896, R: 8167)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock C 57034 (A: 2856, R: 7988)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock D 41937 (A: 7168, R: 32737)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock E 56119 (A: 8088, R: 16052)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock F 64770 (R: 16193)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock A 55359 (R: 23726)
[19:13:13.817] Electron Static Shock G 62809 (A: 10426, R: 8137)

[21:22:05.348] X Insect Swarm Electron *5368*
[21:22:05.567] Electron Static Shock X 47665 (O: 5780, R: 15719)

Arcanotron:

[19:13:43.835] Arcanotron gains Power Conversion from Arcanotron
[19:13:44.644] Ebon Imp hits Arcanotron 714
[19:13:46.661] Ebon Imp hits Arcanotron 708

[21:25:28.681] Arcanotron gains Power Conversion from Arcanotron
[...]
[21:25:32.137] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Arcanotron *9718*
[21:25:33.267] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Arcanotron 5094
[21:25:34.609] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Arcanotron 4661
[21:25:35.061] Arcanotron gains Converted Power (2) from Arcanotron
[...]
[21:25:39.366] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Arcanotron 6401
[21:25:41.051] Searing Totem Searing Bolt Arcanotron 6463
[21:25:41.494] Arcanotron's Converted Power fades from Arcanotron

Again some Trigger examples:

[21:25:28.681] Arcanotron gains Power Conversion from Arcanotron

[21:25:28.681] A hits Arcanotron 3117
[21:25:28.712] Arcanotron gains Converted Power from Arcanotron

[21:25:28.806] A Instant Poison Arcanotron 5627
[21:25:29.093] Arcanotron gains Converted Power (2) from Arcanotron

[21:25:30.006] B hits Arcanotron 2827
[21:25:30.295] Arcanotron gains Converted Power (2) from Arcanotron

[21:25:30.398] B hits Arcanotron 1470
[21:25:30.772] Arcanotron gains Converted Power (3) from Arcanotron

[21:25:33.421] Stupid Hunter's Pet crits Arcanotron *4344*
[21:25:33.866] Arcanotron gains Converted Power from Arcanotron

[21:25:36.090] Stupid Hunter's Pet hits Arcanotron 2160
[21:25:36.325] Arcanotron gains Converted Power (2) from Arcanotron

[21:25:38.607] Arcanotron's Power Conversion fades from Arcanotron

Madlax · 02/18/11, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by Elmi

I always thought that Guardians (Ebon Imp, Infernal, Doomguard, Shadowy Apparition) and Totems don't trigger any of the shields effects other than Magmatron's if that's completely downed. In general everything with a pet bar triggers, everything else doesn't. Or am I mistaken here?

We did think so as well, but after several peoples deaths we isolated some of them to:
Ebon Imps
Refreshing Demo shouts
Eye for an Eye

[19:47:45.241] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:47:46.615] Ebon Imp hits Electron 862
[19:47:46.791] Electron Static Shock Moosena Immune
[19:47:46.928] Electron Static Shock Uzgrim 64453 (R: 16113)

Funny enough, Bane of Havoc did not trigger anything at all.

turturin · 02/18/11, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by zarusa

Not mentioned in the first post :

Omnotron Defense System Heroic: Put BoH on every "old" bot before he starts casting the shield, new Bot spawns at 50 energy while the shield is cast at 30 or so. Maintaining Dots is obviously too very important but not allways possible due to shield mechanics. The only exeption here is Magmawtron because of his type of shield. (Ranked #1 as destruction lock with this tactic so this wont be too wrong )

The shield is actually cast at 45 energy and dissipates at 25. It is safe to apply DoTs to any construct at or below 25 energy. You should notice from your own attempts on this encounter that there is a few seconds after 50 energy before the emote for shield activation occurs. This is also described in multiple guides on the fight, including this one:

Blackwing Descent – Omnitron Defense System | Totem Forest

moop · 02/18/11, 6:49 PM

Originally Posted by Madlax

[19:47:45.241] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:47:46.615] Ebon Imp hits Electron 862
[19:47:46.791] Electron Static Shock Moosena Immune
[19:47:46.928] Electron Static Shock Uzgrim 64453 (R: 16113)

Funny enough, Bane of Havoc did not trigger anything at all.

I checked the log you quoted and it seems you are missing some very relevant information, see this query.

[edit] Copying the results here just in case the report expires in the future...

[19:47:45.241] Electron gains Unstable Shield from Electron
[19:47:45.845] Uzgrim Auto Shot Electron 4256
[19:47:45.845] Uzgrim Cobra Shot Electron *16985*
[19:47:46.121] Ravager casts Wolverine Bite on Electron
[19:47:46.407] Ravager Wolverine Bite Electron *1684*
[19:47:46.467] Ravager crits Electron *2587*
[19:47:46.615] Ebon Imp hits Electron 862
[19:47:46.791] Electron Static Shock Moosena Immune
[19:47:46.928] Electron Static Shock Uzgrim 64453 (R: 16113)
[19:47:47.665] Uzgrim Cobra Shot Electron 8575
[19:47:48.080] Ravager hits Electron 939
[19:47:55.196] Electron's Unstable Shield fades from Electron

chiyeuk · 02/18/11, 7:12 PM

Originally Posted by Densar

Nefarian: You cannot place portal anywhere during the encounter but you can place teleport up on the terrace and jump down (dmg is like 20%). Have to beware not teleporting too early because if you get focused by nef while u are not in los of a healer you can die up there. Otherwise when i organise groups for that fight all locks are on the pillar under the terrace so they dont have to take dmg from the lava.

It's like 35k fall damage vs 10k magma damage (0 if they are destruction using Netherward and Nether Protection). Not sure why the fall to the pillar at the beginning of the fight hurt less (I take about 25k) than during magma phase.. does the pillar sink into the ground?

kardacz · 02/18/11, 8:54 PM

You take more damage cause the whole bottom platform is an elevator. When the magma phase begins the room is not filling with it, the elevator lowers itself into the lava. If you watch closely the Nef intro with Onyxia, you'll notice that it's the elevator that rises up from the lava along with the pillars.

Learned it the hard way. After the first port, the jump down felt like ages and hurt a lot more then it should.

If you want to avoid this situation start moving towards the pillar a few sec before Nef flies away. You'll be able to port up jump down even before the elevator lowers and the add spawns.

Sonicator · 02/20/11, 4:22 PM

4pct11 is slightly bugged more then on range.
If all the dmg of Fel Flame is absorbed it doesn't consume a stack. If your extremely lucky to get a proc during some shield (Ignacious for example), it could be worth it to spam fel flame on it.

Xtyz suffers 2708 Fire damage from Sonicator's Immolate.
Sonicator gains Sonicator's Fel Spark.
Sonicator gains 0 Health from Sonicator's Fel Armor.(81 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Synergy heals Akinzeras for 0.(406 Overhealed)
Xtyz suffers 5565 Fire damage from Sonicator's Immolate.(Critical)
Sonicator's Molten Core fades from Sonicator.
Sonicator gains 0 Health from Sonicator's Fel Armor.(167 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Synergy heals Akinzeras for 0.(834 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Immolate was absorbed by Xtyz.(2708 Absorbed)
Sonicator's Fel Flame was absorbed by Xtyz.(11970 Absorbed)
Sonicator's Immolate is refreshed on Xtyz.
Sonicator's Immolate was absorbed by Xtyz.(2708 Absorbed)
Sonicator's Immolate is refreshed on Xtyz.
Sonicator's Fel Flame hits Xtyz for 1205 Shadowflame.(10844 Absorbed)
Sonicator gains 0 Health from Sonicator's Fel Armor.(36 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Synergy heals Akinzeras for 0.(180 Overhealed)
Xtyz suffers 2708 Fire damage from Sonicator's Immolate.
Sonicator gains 0 Health from Sonicator's Fel Armor.(81 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Synergy heals Akinzeras for 0.(406 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Flame hits Xtyz for 12087 Shadowflame.
Sonicator's Immolate is refreshed on Xtyz.
Sonicator's Fel Spark fades from Sonicator.
Sonicator gains 0 Health from Sonicator's Fel Armor.(362 Overhealed)
Sonicator's Fel Synergy heals Akinzeras for 0.(1813 Overhealed)
Xtyz suffers 2708 Fire damage from Sonicator's Immolate.