Dragonwrath, Tarecgosa's Rest - Warlock specific analysis - Page 2

Dangles · 08/19/11, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by zarusa

Would a warlock with the legendary test it if the procc is able to occur from Soullink or Bane of Havoc ? We may have some hidden DPS there !

There is a odd point with BoH. If the staff procs off any spell that makes it duplicate the spell, let's say Incinerate, the duplicated Incinerate will not have a BoH hit. Though, if corruption has WoT proc, it will have a BoH hit. I'll post logs after this ZA run.

Here are 2 logs -

- Incinerate spam with BoH - World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

- BoA spam with BoH - World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis (Reapplied BoH to miss 1 tick)

So it seems that the procs will not transfer damage to BoH.

blgdinger · 08/20/11, 1:33 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

That's a bit hard to test conclusively considering there's a non-deterministic delay both on the staff proc and on the 4-piece proc. I think to be sure you'd have to get a 4-piece proc both from a normal shadow bolt and from the staff's duplicate of the same shadow bolt.

A simple way to test this is by setting up a mod such as MSBT to show a refresh on an aura. I currently have mine set up so that it pops up a message when 4pc procs and pops up a different message when it gets refreshed. It would take some time to figure out because A) you'd need a staff proc and B) you'd need a 4pc proc off of both. Couldn't figure out last night if Impending Doom would proc off of staff proc'd shadowbolts, because if you could just knock 30 seconds off of your meta CD that would be pretty dope.

Jetjaguar · 08/23/11, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

It's immediately apparent that Wrath of Tarecgosa actually double dips from damage taken debuffs on the target, so dot heavy classes have an inherent advantage - in a normal raid environment WoT causes 108% rather than 100% of the damage of dot ticks that proc it

I may be missing something obvious here or I simply don't understand. How is the fact that the proc double dips from damage taken debuffs make it an inherent advantage for dot heavy classes? It's not as if this mechanism is exclusive to dot classes. Apologies if I am misreading.

• Zakalwe · 08/23/11, 9:13 PM

The mechanism *is* exclusive to dots. Direct damage spells are duplicated in their entirety as a fresh spell - the damage on the duplicate is not dependent in any way on the damage of the original, so the duplicate will benefit from CoE, but only once.

Dots on the other hand are duplicated via the Wrath of Tarecgosa spell, where the damage done by WoT is equal to the damage done by the dot tick that procced it. Except WoT benefits from debuffs on the targets as well, so you get benefit from CoE twice - once for the original spell and then again for the WoT copy.

This means a 100% dot class with a 15% proc chance should get 16.2% increased DPS, while a 100% direct damage class with a 15% proc chance just gets 15% increased DPS.

Jetjaguar · 08/23/11, 10:55 PM

That clears things up. I was under the assumption that the duplicate spell from direct damage spells was dependent on the original spell which was why I was confused about the advantage. Thanks.

)@rth · 08/24/11, 2:42 AM

I uploaded a log for BH-25 man on the pug I ran tonight. The lock is affi, he's the only wielder of staff on our realm.
Here it is: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis, hope it helps for your analysis.

• Zakalwe · 08/24/11, 3:22 AM

I'd love a full raid log of someone in a non-affliction spec, particularly demo. It's starting to look like the proc rate might be 15% for affliction and 17% for demo, though we definitely need more samples.

I'm also starting to suspect they're already doing hotfix adjustments to this stuff - spriest was being reported at 13% last week, but it's almost certainly 15% this week.

whi · 08/24/11, 10:54 AM

Just had some multidot fun on stormwind's dummies:

Demo: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Affli: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

And some earlier results i pm'd to Zakalwe which i didn't log sadly:
Demo: around 3500 dot ticks - 16.9%.
Affli: around 2800 dot ticks - 15.1%.

+ Will probably be demo specced for 4/7 of firelands today.

Brokrone · 08/25/11, 3:24 AM

More legendary logs (because it can't hurt, right?): World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I was Demo for Rhyolith but Affliction for the rest of the night

• Zakalwe · 08/25/11, 4:01 AM

Now I'm confused - earlier reports were saying hellfire ticks were duplicated, as if they were direct damage spells. In your two pulls as demo on Rhyolith you had 1218 regular dot ticks, 1267 hellfire ticks, and 400 WoT procs. If hellfire can't proc WoT, that's a whopping 32.8% proc chance. Seems more likely that hellfire counts as a dot.

whi · 08/25/11, 5:07 AM

Demo part of the raid:
Trash upto beth and beth: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Other 3: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Affli:
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Both hellfire and immolation aura count as dots and proc wot.
Either im extremely unlucky, or it procs only off soc's dot ticks, not the explosion.
Rain of fire seems to work fine - whole 'wave' is copied.
Yet to see a proc off shadow flame's direct damage, dot part procs wot as expected - scratch that, both parts proc it fine, but I didn't get any additional ticks(like you do when you clip a dot).

Im on now if you want something else tested.

Edit:
Yeah, just rng hate, SoC procs it fine on both dot part and explosion.

camullo · 08/25/11, 7:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Now I'm confused - earlier reports were saying hellfire ticks were duplicated, as if they were direct damage spells. In your two pulls as demo on Rhyolith you had 1218 regular dot ticks, 1267 hellfire ticks, and 400 WoT procs. If hellfire can't proc WoT, that's a whopping 32.8% proc chance. Seems more likely that hellfire counts as a dot.

Hellfire counts as dot, as it is able to refresh Dark Intent. From what I have heard from mages, the procc consumes effects like Fingers of Frost / Molten Core proccs without applying their benefit to the original spell (so if the 2nd incinerate proccs, the 3rd is consume and the casted 3rd will not gain Molten Core benefits). But can WoT proccs procc talents/spells/abilities like Eradiction/Dark Intent/Pandemic ?

whi · 08/25/11, 7:38 AM

Was just aoeing 3 dummies and found something ...interesting that warrants this little spam of mine(sorry for double posting!):

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[13:08:57.149] Training Dummy afflicted by Rain of Fire from Whi
[13:08:57.149] Training Dummy afflicted by Rain of Fire from Whi
[13:08:57.149] Training Dummy afflicted by Rain of Fire from Whi
[13:08:58.546] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:08:59.110] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3086)
[13:08:59.111] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3086)
[13:08:59.111] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 6343)
[13:08:59.202] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:08:59.597] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3087)
[13:08:59.597] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3087)
[13:08:59.597] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3086)
[13:09:00.199] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2167)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2561)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy *1* (O: 5232)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 7164)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)
[13:09:01.845] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:09:02.217] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 7164)
[13:09:02.217] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)
[13:09:02.217] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 7164)
[13:09:02.456] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:09:02.852] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)
[13:09:03.095] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 7164)
[13:09:03.095] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)
[13:09:03.531] Whi casts Rain of Fire
[13:09:03.531] Whi's Rain of Fire fades from Whi
[13:09:03.759] Whi's Rain of Fire fades from Training Dummy
[13:09:03.759] Whi's Rain of Fire fades from Training Dummy
[13:09:03.759] Whi's Rain of Fire fades from Training Dummy
[13:09:04.074] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2350)
[13:09:04.074] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy *1* (O: 7164)
[13:09:04.074] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3487)
[13:09:04.074] Whi Rain of Fire Training Dummy 1 (O: 3486)

Full log here: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
Interesting bit: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Yeah, it seems, that the buff did refresh itself.

Just had a similiar one, but with 1+1 damage procs instead of 3+1...

Edit:

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Wait, what? Is there some kind of a bug or something obvious I'm missing...?

Angelic · 08/25/11, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by whi

Wait, what? Is there some kind of a bug or something obvious I'm missing...?

Not sure if that's the case, but it have been noted that there are some bugged clients that make duplicated lines in the Combat Log files. It has been investigated by World of Logs administrators and moderators, because there were numerous logs where you could see people hitting twice with spells that cannot hit twice within 100ms.

This resulted undeserved higher rankings for the affected parses.

I don't see any other reason for this to hit three times, unless it's some specific bug to this spell only.

ZumoO · 08/25/11, 8:41 AM

[13:09:00.015] Whi gains Volcanic Destruction from Whi
[13:09:00.016] Whi's Volcanic Destruction is refreshed by Whi
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2167)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2561)
[13:09:00.579] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy *1* (O: 5232)
[13:09:03.264] Whi's Volcanic Destruction is refreshed by Whi
[13:09:04.074] Whi Volcanic Destruction Training Dummy 1 (O: 2350)
[13:09:15.295] Whi's Volcanic Destruction fades from Whi

The buff did refresh, it has a 12sec duration :o

Same for Power Torrent :

[13:08:54.309] Whi gains Power Torrent from Whi
[13:09:00.015] Whi's Power Torrent is refreshed by Whi
[13:09:00.016] Whi's Power Torrent is refreshed by Whi
[13:09:03.264] Whi's Power Torrent is refreshed by Whi
[13:09:15.249] Whi's Power Torrent fades from Whi

18sec Power Torrent and 15sec Volcanic Destruction... should be nice if you have the same bug with Meta ;p