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Old 10/23/12, 2:07 PM   #226
VoidStar
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Human Warlock
 
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by Teris View Post
hit-cap aff in pandaria is a lot like hit-cap cataclysm with one notable exception: keeping your dots up isn't quite as razor-edge as it was last expansion. Thanks to pandemic you can refresh your dots 3-5 seconds before they expire without any significant dps loss. Moving around means spamming fel fire and CoA to push your dots to their maximum time (1.5 x normal dot duration) so when you can stand and fire you have more MG time.

Also, for what it's worth, I'd suggest macro-ing Demon Soul/trinkets to haunt. I always forget to keep them on cooldown so I lose a lot of dps.
This post is rather misleading. With Pandemic you have a ~7 second window to refresh UA, ~9s for Corruption and a mighty ~12s for Agony. Also, it's not that refreshing within the Pandemic window doesn't cause "any significant dps loss": except where you are overwriting a buffed DoT with a non (or lesser) buffed one by refreshing early, it doesn't cause *any* DPS loss, that's the whole point.

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Old 10/24/12, 12:34 AM   #227
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Twisting Nether (EU)
Also, for what it's worth, I'd suggest macro-ing Demon Soul/trinkets to haunt. I always forget to keep them on cooldown so I lose a lot of dps.
Just because you forget to use Demon Soul doesnt make macroing it to Haunt a viable option. You really shouldnt give people these kinds of advices.

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Old 10/24/12, 2:15 AM   #228
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Sanguino (EU)
Originally Posted by Teris View Post
Also, for what it's worth, I'd suggest macro-ing Demon Soul/trinkets to haunt. I always forget to keep them on cooldown so I lose a lot of dps.
I don't know if it is less important in other raiding tiers, but right now in Mogu'Shan Vaults that wouldn't be such a good idea, you have to be careful when using your cooldowns on almost every boss if you don't want to lose them (You should try not to use your cooldowns on a Stone Guard's transition phase/ Elegon Pillars / Feng's Tremors...)

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Old 10/30/12, 9:20 AM   #229
karamon
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Ysondre (EU)
some questions

hello to all

first sorry for my bad english.

I asked several questions

first one: must we re apply a dot if we get a buff ? (like enchant proc)

second: thanks pandemic that can extend a dot, the haste cap that allows us to have extra tick as it does an interest in knowing that the majority of cases we re apply the dot under 50%?

thank you in advance for explanations.

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Old 10/30/12, 8:31 PM   #230
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Garona
Originally Posted by karamon View Post
hello to all

first sorry for my bad english.

I asked several questions

first one: must we re apply a dot if we get a buff ? (like enchant proc)
Yes. Buffs are applies on dot application; debuffs are applied on each tick, and thus will update dynamically.

That is assuming you're asking "must we reapply a dot if we want it to reflect the buff we just got?". If your question is more general, namely whether it is beneficial to spend the GCD to reapply the dot if a buff is received, then there's no general answer. If the dot is below 50%, then obviously yes; otherwise, it depends on the buff. Normally you wouldn't do that, but some buffs may warrant it. For strong buff that can be anticipated (such as Hero and Dark Soul), you can prepare by allowing your dots to get under 50% so that all three can be updated once you get that buff.

second: thanks pandemic that can extend a dot, the haste cap that allows us to have extra tick as it does an interest in knowing that the majority of cases we re apply the dot under 50%?

thank you in advance for explanations.
Not sure I understand what you're saying. Perhaps you could rephrase?

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Old 10/31/12, 12:11 PM   #231
karamon
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Undead Warlock
 
Ysondre (EU)
Not sure I understand what you're saying. Perhaps you could rephrase?[/quote]

I apologyse for my very bad english

i try to rephrase.

people talk about a cap haste for gain an extra tick on corruption (for ex.) but with pandemic we re apply the dot before he fade. so my question his : for dot s what is the interest of haste (i don't talk about mg or soul drain)


hope that you understand what i mean.

(and if you want don't hesitate to correct my poor english)


thx

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Old 11/01/12, 5:48 AM   #232
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I hope I understood you correctly

The point of reaching a haste breakpoint, even with pandemic, is to get an increased duration of the dot and therefor less time spent recasting the dot. Admittedly the timeframe is huge thanks to pandemic, but you still have to recast the dot less often if you hit a haste breakpoint.
I'll try and give you an example:
You are just under a haste cap with your dot ticking X times and the time between dot ticks is 2.5 (not sure about the actual values but for the sake of the example it should be sufficient). By going over the haste breakpoint your dot will tick X+1 times with a time between ticks of something like 2.4. This will result in an overall longer dot which you will have to recast less often because it is active for a longer time.

Hopefully this helped you.

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Old 11/02/12, 11:24 AM   #233
lividhatter
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Affliction Rotation Questions:
1) Should i begin casting haunt prior to a previous haunt expiring or should i continue to malific grasp until it wears off, then recast haunt?
2) In the unfortunate instance where you run out of shards mid fight; what is the correct course of action?
3) Lets say agony has 30 sec left, corruption has 8sec, unstable affliction has 5sec and haunt has just expired. In this case i usually recast unstable affliction, and corruption, then haunt. Is this wrong?
4) What are the normal use cases for soul burn soul swap? I always use it to start a fight, and I sometimes use it in situations like #3.
5) When we are multi dotting 2 targets. Should we only be haunting one target?
6) When multi dotting 2 targets. Should we be hard casting all dots on target 1, and glyphed soul swapping the dots to target 2?

Im an ilvl 473 lock just looking for tips to squeeze out some higher dps.

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Old 11/02/12, 11:49 AM   #234
lividhatter
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Gnome Warlock
 
Kalecgos
Sorry forgot one. I have the heroic flashfrozen resin globule (on use 4232int for 25sec) it has a 2.5 min CD. DS has a 2min CD. Should i wait and line them both up, or should i cast them both on CD? Or is it too situational to make a hard fast rule?

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Old 11/02/12, 6:18 PM   #235
zinnin
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Originally Posted by lividhatter View Post
Sorry forgot one. I have the heroic flashfrozen resin globule (on use 4232int for 25sec) it has a 2.5 min CD. DS has a 2min CD. Should i wait and line them both up, or should i cast them both on CD? Or is it too situational to make a hard fast rule?
In order to answer that you need to just look at how many uses your going to get in a fight. For example; a six minute fight will give you 3 uses of the trinket and DS, so you would want to use them together. However a seven minute fight would give you 4 uses of DS and only 3 trinket uses, so you wouldn't want to use them together.

Easiest is to just use things on cooldown; best is to estimate fight length ahead of time and group cooldowns together.

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Old 11/02/12, 6:28 PM   #236
lividhatter
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Kalecgos
Makes sense! Thanks for the response. Any comments on the post above that one? All help is obviously appreciated!

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Old 11/02/12, 7:00 PM   #237
turturin
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Orc Warlock
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by lividhatter View Post
Affliction Rotation Questions:
1) Should i begin casting haunt prior to a previous haunt expiring or should i continue to malific grasp until it wears off, then recast haunt?
2) In the unfortunate instance where you run out of shards mid fight; what is the correct course of action?
3) Lets say agony has 30 sec left, corruption has 8sec, unstable affliction has 5sec and haunt has just expired. In this case i usually recast unstable affliction, and corruption, then haunt. Is this wrong?
4) What are the normal use cases for soul burn soul swap? I always use it to start a fight, and I sometimes use it in situations like #3.
5) When we are multi dotting 2 targets. Should we only be haunting one target?
6) When multi dotting 2 targets. Should we be hard casting all dots on target 1, and glyphed soul swapping the dots to target 2?
1.) In a buffed situation (dark soul, blood lust, trinkets, etc) you want to keep haunt uptime as high as possible. Otherwise, finishing you MG channel is fine and more mana efficient, since over the course of any boss fight you will have some haunt downtime no mattter what you do.
2). It's expected. Just keep dpsing normally. Try to align your haunt uptime as noted in my answer to #1. 60% haunt uptime on single target is about the best you will do, so get the most out of it.
3). If you are at range, yes. Due to Haunt's travel time you want to refresh one dot after you finish casting it, then straight into MG so that it hits right as haunt does. THis will allow for maxium MG uptime while the haunt debuff is on the target. If you are close to the boss then refresh your dots before haunt if they have time remaining < Haunt debuff+cast time.
4). The two basic cases are: 1) whenever you need to get dmg rolling on a target quickly, and 2) to refresh dots during Drain Soul Execute. Obviously part 1) has a lot of angles to it (target swap burns, when procs are up, etc). Use your best judgement. Effectively every time you use soul swap outside of execute, it reduces haunt uptime, so make sure the tradeoff is worth it (it often is, but not always).
5.) Depends on how fast they need to die and how many shards you have (if you have 4 shards and haunt is already up on one you should haunt the other in order not to waste the next potential nightfall proc)
6.) Depends. See advice above.

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Old 11/02/12, 10:28 PM   #238
Flöte
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Orc Warlock
 
Twisting Nether (EU)
new change in 5.1 " Pandemic no longer smooths the damage when extending dots with different amounts of spellpower. "

Im not sure what exactly they're trying to say with this. Does this mean we can prolong our good dots infinitely, we cant prolong them at all or something else entirely?

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Old 11/03/12, 4:40 AM   #239
 Zakalwe
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There was a (buggy) mechanic in place that attempted to average out the effects of spell power procs when reapplying pandemic dots early, which they're removing in 5.1. It will now work the way you'd expect - reapplying a dot will cause it to fully recalculate the damage per tick, regardless of duration.

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Old 11/03/12, 2:34 PM   #240
Thanatosia
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Human Warlock
 
Hellscream
Wierd.... does anyone have any specific information on how Pandemic is 'smoothing' our dots for the remainder of this patch and does it change how we should try to react to spellpower procs until 5.1?

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