SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 13

Werst · 07/27/12, 8:12 AM

Originally Posted by zinnin

Is Kil Jaeden's Cunning modeled in simcraft so we can test if it is actually a dps increase while moving?

I would be more curious if the latest sim was completely modeled for helter skelter fight style in regards to KJC. Is there a good way to model how much movement before KJC (with its anti haste and movement snare) is a gain compared to running full speed while using say FF/agony/instants for aff? Can that be modeled for demo or destro?

MooMan65 · 07/28/12, 8:05 AM

Hey Zakalwe. It looks like the new Lvl85 profiles after the latest build are still considering Pandemic's effect when it's a Lvl 90 passive (Demo's exit meta corruption duration condition, the initial double application of Doom etc.). It looks like we're going to have to deal with the base duration of dots until then.

• Zakalwe · 07/28/12, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by MooMan65

Hey Zakalwe. It looks like the new Lvl85 profiles after the latest build are still considering Pandemic's effect when it's a Lvl 90 passive (Demo's exit meta corruption duration condition, the initial double application of Doom etc.). It looks like we're going to have to deal with the base duration of dots until then.

The simulator knows this, and you'll notice the affliction and destruction lists are adjusted accordingly. The point of the doom reapplication isn't so much to get it to 150% duration but to maximize the amount of ticks that benefit from dark soul. I made a slight adjustment to the conditional that turned out to be more optimal, but you still want to recast doom long before it runs out if you have dark soul up.

MooMan65 · 07/28/12, 8:37 PM

Gotcha about Doom. I'm still curious as to how the cancel_metamorphosis action (K) is being called then in the 85 profile. Since it's an '&' condition and Corruption will never go above 20 seconds without Pandemic or the EA glyph, I'm not sure how the sim is firing it.

I've been trying to do the meta-juggling on beta since the latest patch after adjusting the cancel condition on corruption to a number like 17 and I've found that it's much harder to bank Demonic Fury now for the Dark Soul burn phase. Before the EA change I gained so much per Corr duration I would even start using Meta to bleed off extra Fury before the DS cooldown is up.

• Zakalwe · 07/28/12, 8:51 PM

Are you saying there was an unannounced change to how ToC's corruption extend/refresh works? It used to extend it to a max of 30 seconds or so, unrelated to the glyph.

EDIT: Just tested, and yeah, it doesn't extend beyond the initial duration now. It doesn't at level 90 with pandemic either, though.

Angelic · 07/28/12, 11:28 PM

I was wondering, unless I got it wrong, why is the Doomguard summoned at the start of the encounter? The tooltip in game says it does 20% more damage to targets below 20% health.

Wouldn't it be optimal to summon it ~1m10s before the encounter ends?

• Zakalwe · 07/28/12, 11:33 PM

In the simulations, Bloodlust is used at the start of the fight. That, combined with other cooldowns like Dark Soul and trinkets, is a better than 20% boost to the Doomguard's damage.

Macemighty · 07/29/12, 4:58 AM

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Dalmasca · 07/29/12, 8:49 PM

Originally Posted by Angelic

I was wondering, unless I got it wrong, why is the Doomguard summoned at the start of the encounter? The tooltip in game says it does 20% more damage to targets below 20% health.

Wouldn't it be optimal to summon it ~1m10s before the encounter ends?

In addition to what Zakalwe said, you would also notice a strong dps increase in any fight that allows you to summon more than once (think: H-Lich King). It's not terribly likely, but also not unprecedented in progression. However, there are mechanics that may alter the ideal time to summon (Magmaw, for example) - that's when you re-run the simulation with those conditions though!

It is kind of a misleading or at least un-intuitive tooltip though, I agree.

Cristoph · 07/30/12, 3:35 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

In the simulations, Bloodlust is used at the start of the fight. That, combined with other cooldowns like Dark Soul and trinkets, is a better than 20% boost to the Doomguard's damage.

so Doomguard benefits from Bloodlust now?

Dalmasca · 07/30/12, 3:59 AM

Quick thing about the current action priority lists:

I modified the destro profile to utilize on-use spellpower in conjunction with dark soul and CB usage and gained some dps from the original, especially on movement fights (check out the difference on the Light Movement especially). Trinkets lining up with CB dumps is way too beneficial to ignore. I think this will more accurately represent what occurs on most fights, and can potentially be game-breaking on mechanics like Magmaw's chained phase. Likewise, I think that skew may dictate gear selection somewhat. In addition, I've added in the Fel Flame,moving=1 line. The action list is behind the spoiler.

Also, is Windsong being modeled in the newest version?

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#!./simc warlock="Warlock_Destruction_PreRaid" origin="unknown" level=90 race=orc spec=destruction role=spell position=back professions=tailoring=600/enchanting=600 talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#Vb!....0. talent_override=grimoire_of_sacrifice,if=num_targets>2 glyphs=conflagrate/burning_embers actions.precombat=flask,type=warm_sun actions.precombat+=/food,type=mogu_fish_stew actions.precombat+=/dark_intent,if=!aura.spell_power_multiplier.up actions.precombat+=/summon_felhunter actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats actions.precombat+=/jade_serpent_potion actions=curse_of_the_elements,if=debuff.magic_vulnerability.down actions+=/use_item,name=flashfrozen_rosin_globule actions+=/jade_serpent_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.health.pct<=20 actions+=/blood_fury actions+=/dark_soul,if=buff.flashfrozen_rosin_globule.up actions+=/service_felhunter,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled actions+=/grimoire_of_sacrifice,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled actions+=/summon_felhunter,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled&buff.grimoire_of_sacrifice.down actions+=/run_action_list,name=aoe,if=num_targets>2 actions+=/summon_doomguard actions+=/havoc,target=2,if=num_targets>1 actions+=/shadowburn,if=ember_react actions+=/chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&buff.backdraft.stack<3&(burning_ember>3|buff.dark_soul.up) actions+=/conflagrate,if=buff.backdraft.down actions+=/immolate,cycle_targets=1,if=ticks_remain<add_ticks%2&target.time_to_die>=5&miss_react actions+=/incinerate actions+=/fel_flame,moving=1 actions.aoe=summon_doomguard,if=num_targets<7 actions.aoe+=/summon_infernal,if=num_targets>=7 actions.aoe+=/rain_of_fire,if=!ticking&!in_flight actions.aoe+=/fire_and_brimstone,if=ember_react&buff.fire_and_brimstone.down actions.aoe+=/immolate,if=buff.fire_and_brimstone.up&!ticking actions.aoe+=/conflagrate,if=ember_react&buff.fire_and_brimstone.up actions.aoe+=/incinerate,if=buff.fire_and_brimstone.up actions.aoe+=/immolate,cycle_targets=1,if=!ticking head=whitemanes_embroidered_chapeau,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1655armor_899int_1349sta_497crit_450haste,gems=burning_primal_80int_160hit,reforge=crit_hit neck=pendant_of_precise_timing,heroic=1,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=501int_752sta_358hit_293crit,reforge=crit_haste shoulders=forgotten_bloodmage_mantle,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1527armor_668int_1002sta_401crit_471mastery,enchant=200int_100crit,reforge=crit_hit chest=spelltwisters_grand_robe,type=cloth,ilevel=476,quality=epic,stats=2133armor_1015int_1523sta_726crit_594mastery,enchant=80all,reforge=crit_haste waist=girdle_of_endemic_anger,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1146armor_668int_1002sta_401crit_471hit,gems=160int,reforge=crit_haste legs=leggings_of_unleashed_anguish,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1782armor_899int_1349sta_676crit_469haste,enchant=285int_165crit,reforge=crit_hit feet=scarlet_sandals,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1400armor_668int_1002sta_465crit_412hit,enchant=175hit,reforge=crit_haste wrists=deadwalker_bracers,heroic=1,type=cloth,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=891armor_501int_752sta_354hit_301crit,enchant=170int,reforge=crit_haste hands=spelltwisters_gloves,type=cloth,ilevel=476,quality=epic,stats=1333armor_754int_1131sta_532hit_453mastery,enchant=170haste,reforge=mastery_haste finger1=signet_of_the_hidden_door,heroic=1,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=501int_752sta_254hit_381haste,enchant=160int finger2=eye_of_the_tornado,heroic=1,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=501int_752sta_339hit_326mastery,enchant=160int,reforge=mastery_haste trinket1=vision_of_the_predator,heroic=1,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=847int,equip=onspelldamage_3386crit_15%_30dur_120cd trinket2=flashfrozen_rosin_globule,heroic=1,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=847hit,use=4232int_25dur_150cd back=scorched_earth_cloak,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=1018armor_501int_752sta_368mastery_277hit,enchant=lightweave_embroidery_3,reforge=mastery_haste main_hand=melted_hypnotic_blade,ilevel=463,quality=rare,stats=385int_578sta_213crit_283mastery_5152sp,weapon=dagger_1.80speed_1535min_2851max,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=crit_haste off_hand=inscribed_serpent_fant,ilevel=476,quality=epic,stats=486int_849sta_309hit_354mastery,enchant=165int,reforge=mastery_haste # Gear Summary # gear_strength=80 # gear_agility=80 # gear_stamina=13625 # gear_intellect=11470 # gear_spirit=80 # gear_spell_power=5152 # gear_hit_rating=5116 # gear_crit_rating=2652 # gear_haste_rating=3027 # gear_mastery_rating=2250 # gear_armor=12885 # meta_gem=burning_primal # back=scorched_earth_cloak,enchant=lightweave_embroidery_3 # main_hand=melted_hypnotic_blade,weapon=dagger_1.80speed_1535min_2851max,enchant=jade_spirit

Edited for late-night oversight, lol

Dalmasca · 07/30/12, 4:06 AM

Originally Posted by Cristoph

so Doomguard benefits from Bloodlust now?

Strictly speaking, it did before too, but now instead of "snapshotting" your stats, it will update dynamically with your buffs like Bloodlust/Heroism.

Source: Beta Class Balance Analysis - Forums - World of Warcraft

ZumoO · 07/30/12, 8:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dalmasca

Quick things about the current action priority lists:

In the affliction profile, it looks like it's using Soul Swap on a single-target to benefit from the extra shadow damage dealt upon re-application of the dots (Soul Swap: Exhale). However, since you can't Swap back on the same target, this damage can't actually occur in-game. Shouldn't it read?:

actions+=/soul_swap,if=buff.soulburn.up&num_targets>1

Soul Swap with Soulburn instantly applies Corruption, Unstable Affliction and Agony.

krno · 07/30/12, 8:23 AM

delete

whi · 07/30/12, 8:25 AM

There seems to be some kind of a bug in the newest downlaodable version of simc(the two hour old one) - with the same preraid profiles I'm getting ~5% more dps than those posted here/on simulationcraft.org. Looks like it has something to do with the target's level - crit on all attacks is around 3% higher and reforging down to 8.33% of hit still results in not a single missed spell. Additionally, all the pet's melee attacks are normal, not a single glancing one, and the only change when switching from a raid boss to 5man heroic boss is ~250 melee pet dps.

Edit: Ah, target level is still 88 on both "PTR" and "Live" versions, even though player is 90.
Edit2: Adding target_level=93 in overrides seems to work just fine as a quick workaround.