SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 15

Meegosh · 08/08/12, 7:36 PM

Relic of Yu'lon over Jade magistrate figurine seems to be a DPS increase for all 3 specs.

Fallensaint · 08/08/12, 10:16 PM

I'm not sure if you've included it in the lated build, but Meta's "melee" no longer activates during casting. It's "swing" timer also appears to reset on a completed cast, though I'd need to do more testing to confirm.

• Zakalwe · 08/09/12, 6:58 AM

Originally Posted by Fallensaint

I'm not sure if you've included it in the lated build, but Meta's "melee" no longer activates during casting. It's "swing" timer also appears to reset on a completed cast, though I'd need to do more testing to confirm.

That hasn't been updated in the sim - any testing/confirmation you can do would be helpful, since I won't have a lot of time to test things for myself over the next week or two.

Psych · 08/09/12, 7:47 AM

Is the latest beta build implemented (15952)? I don't really remember the old numbers but I expected Demonology to significantly drop in damage and come closer to Affliction, and I feel it didn't. Maybe I expected a bigger difference and that's the main reason to get confused, assuming the changes are in.

realCool · 08/09/12, 7:50 AM

According to a post on MMO-Champion forums by neubs986 Skull Banner is not yet implemented in the sim. Is that correct and if yes are there plans to implement it sometime? This buff may be the reason blizzard thinks destros number are closer to the toehr two speccs, as I expect the buff to have the greatest impact on chaos bolt.

dakalro · 08/09/12, 8:21 AM

Originally Posted by Psych

Is the latest beta build implemented (15952)? I don't really remember the old numbers but I expected Demonology to significantly drop in damage and come closer to Affliction, and I feel it didn't. Maybe I expected a bigger difference and that's the main reason to get confused, assuming the changes are in.

Demo's nerf was under 1% when I checked my own numbers (a bit more for this sim since I checked for a multi target fight without clumped up mobs).
And indeed, affliction should have seen a 5% buff if we are to believe GC, nerf if we go by datamined changes.

ZumoO · 08/09/12, 8:47 AM

Originally Posted by realCool

According to a post on MMO-Champion forums Skull Banner is not yet implemented in the sim. Is that correct and if yes are there plans to implement it sometime? This buff may be the reason blizzard thinks destros number are closer to the toehr two speccs, as I expect the buff to have the greatest impact on chaos bolt.

It looks like this is currently being implemented by the Warrior dev :
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I don't know how this will be used in the sims of the other classes though (on cooldown ?).

Fallensaint · 08/09/12, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

That hasn't been updated in the sim - any testing/confirmation you can do would be helpful, since I won't have a lot of time to test things for myself over the next week or two.

Double-checked today, Melee definitely isn't happening during casts, but I was incorrect about it resetting.

Psych · 08/09/12, 11:30 AM

I can confirm that Unstable Affliction is indeed doing more damage. Are we taking in consideration what GC said about 25% buff? Or am I missing something.

Here's some very rusty data done on dummies with ~19k Spellpower and ~50% Mastery.

160 ticks of Corruption - 1.21M
160 ticks of Unstable Affliction - 1.49M

Then another on a single target while chaining Malefic Grasp:
198 ticks of Corruption - 1.08M
194 ticks of Unstable Affliction - 1.35M

While on the latest simulation Corruption is doing more damage than Unstable Affliction, I doubt things change dramatically when in raid environment.

Edit: Additionally, Shivara Pet seems to be doing more damage than Observer at the moment.

turturin · 08/09/12, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Psych

I can confirm that Unstable Affliction is indeed doing more damage. Are we taking in consideration what GC said about 25% buff? Or am I missing something.

Here's some very rusty data done on dummies with ~19k Spellpower and ~50% Mastery.

160 ticks of Corruption - 1.21M
160 ticks of Unstable Affliction - 1.49M

Then another on a single target while chaining Malefic Grasp:
198 ticks of Corruption - 1.08M
194 ticks of Unstable Affliction - 1.35M

While on the latest simulation Corruption is doing more damage than Unstable Affliction, I doubt things change dramatically when in raid environment.

Edit: Additionally, Shivara Pet seems to be doing more damage than Observer at the moment.

How are you getting less damage with more ticks? Am I missing something?

Psych · 08/09/12, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by turturin

How are you getting less damage with more ticks? Am I missing something?

From Malefic Grasp Tooltip: Every 1 sec, when Malefic Grasp deals damage, it causes all of your other periodic Affliction damage effects to instantly deal 50% of their normal periodic damage.

While you channel Malefic Grasp you get extra ticks, which count just as any other normal ticks but they do 50% less damage, hence the difference. In addition, I think I didn't put Curse of the Elements on the try with Malefic Grasp, but it's mainly the Malefic Grasp mechanic that is making the difference.

• Zakalwe · 08/09/12, 1:17 PM

You're correct - in the sim, only UA's base damage was updated in the latest patch, because the spell data wasn't updated properly. This has been fixed in SVN, and the reports should be updated over the next few hours.

Fallensaint · 08/09/12, 3:27 PM

Well, according to this post, the Meta melee thing in this build is apparently a bug. Also, Shadow Bolt's tooltip is apparently incorrect, though I don't know what the new formula for it is.

Scathbais · 08/09/12, 4:33 PM

I am trying to simulate holding off on Chaos Bolts based on the duration left on the Dark Soul cool down. I want to test conditions where crit stacking and holding off on casting CBs x seconds prior to dark soul could be a dps gain.

What is the variable to check the time left on the cool down and more importantly is there a file I can parse or read to find out what these things are myself?

I searched through the sc_warlock.cpp and couldn't find anything useful.

• Zakalwe · 08/09/12, 4:41 PM

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