SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 17

ZumoO · 08/12/12, 9:00 AM

Ok with the last SVN version (I had the last Download version) I have the same kind of mastery values.

Is it normal that with the exact same profiles, the simulation of 3 profiles and 5000 interations takes 15 sec with the last Downloaded version and more than 5 minutes with the last SVN version ?

• Zakalwe · 08/12/12, 9:01 AM

Sounds like you're compiling in debug mode?

Elmi · 08/12/12, 9:08 AM

Originally Posted by ZumoO

I have tried similar improvements and ended up with similar very small DPS gains, looks like smart play isn't really rewarded :/

Perhaps you should have a line to cast a Chaos Bolt if you reach 38 emberbits, but your mana.pct<30 might be sufficient to avoid ember capping.

I also played around with forced emberbits stacking up to 38 and dumping during Dark Soul which resulted in a vast increase on CB and Shadowburn damage but no dps gain in total due to rising idle time because of a lack of mana.

Also stacking cooldowns either by delaying Dark Soul (with or without glyph) or by delaying hands enchant and trinket for CB/Shadowburn dump is no gain.

I didn't manage to get Felflame into the rotation (above or below 20%) for an increase in DPS.

Obviously you can't do much but Inci/Immo and shoot off CB/Shadowburn when ready and using everything else on cooldown.

I pray for some changes on Destruction until release because I actually like the spec and if it was competitive in general, the on demand burst with stacked embers would come in very handy on several encounters.
Also I really like the big numbers.

ZumoO · 08/12/12, 9:17 AM

Sounds like you're compiling in debug mode?

Thanks, it should save me some time

In all three cases the value should match the value shown in the stats section of your in-game paper-doll screen.

It doesn't seem to be the case.
On the sim : with 1720 rating, 47.61%
On the beta : with 1660 rating, 32.30%

Ingame on the paper-doll screen there isn't a 3% increase per point, here is what I have :

32.30% (24% + 8.30%)
Increases Incinerate, Fel flame... damage by 11.77%.
Increases Ember spells damage by 32.30%.
Mastery : 1660 (+8.30% mastery)

• Zakalwe · 08/12/12, 9:22 AM

Yes there is. That all matches perfectly, you're just forgetting that the sim includes raid buffs in the 47.61% value - the raid buff is 5 mastery points, or 15% for destruction. The unbuffed value is right there next to it, 32.61%.

ZumoO · 08/12/12, 9:27 AM

Okay completely forgot about the new Mastery buff, I'm going to stop posting here for a while sorry.

randa · 08/12/12, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by Elmi

Obviously you can't do much but Inci/Immo and shoot off CB/Shadowburn when ready and using everything else on cooldown.

I think that this was their intention from the start, to make simplified spec that has a lots of cushions (conflagrate charges?) which make game-play very forgiving and intuitive, in order to boost our ranks with new or "unskilled" players, who will not be intimidated by our class mechanics as they are on live.

Viscious · 08/13/12, 2:18 AM

Synapse springs is used in the profile, is a second profession also modeled? If so, which?

whi · 08/13/12, 2:21 AM

Originally Posted by Viscious

Synapse springs is used in the profile, is a second profession also modeled? If so, which?

Enchanting, 2 x 160int ring enchants.

Psych · 08/13/12, 2:59 AM

I have a proposal for the upcoming expansion, how about having modeled in a separate page the standard T14H profile with every pet available, similar to the way the trinkets were modeled last expansion?

Having in mind Blizzard is aiming to balance them out almost equally, this will provide easy access to current pet balance and how much actual difference there is between different pets.

In addition, in a similar fashion we could model the 3 Grimoires with the current Heroic Profiles for the same purpose, because in theory they should be close all together. But how close exactly it's unknown, unless we run the simulations ourselves.

While I don't have any problems running it myself and I do it all the time, many people will just access the front page and look for information regarding their specialization and class.

zinnin · 08/13/12, 4:13 AM

I was able to get a ~5k dps increase out of Immolation Aura at 2 targets adding in

actions+=/immolation_aura,if=buff.dark_soul.up|demonic_fury>=600

above the touch_of_chaos line, and changing the meta line to

actions+=/metamorphosis,if=buff.dark_soul.up|(dot.corruption.remains<10&demonic_fury>=600)|demonic_fury>=900|demonic_fury>=target.time_to_die*30
actions+=/cancel_metamorphosis,if=dot.corruption.remains>15&buff.dark_soul.down&demonic_fury<=750&target.time_to_die>30&!action.immolation_aura.ticking

I didn't really spend a whole lot of a time with it, but there is most likely a better way to save fury \ trigger meta with immolation aura in mind.

Unknowndiv · 08/13/12, 9:57 AM

I've noticed that "glyph of SB" makes SB hit harder than unglyphed version in simulation(504-3). Then I've tried this ingame (beta) and here are some notes:
1) Mastery does not increase damage in caster form, that was sad, It has to be bug!
2) SB's damage formula does not fit ingame. Not 1269+1.5*SP (by the way ingame tooltip is showing damage calculated with this formula), but 1337+1.25*SP. SB has strange behavior - no damage spread at all!
3) glyphed SB deals exactly 1/3 of the unglyphed SB damage.
UPD: Seems svn build r13556 r13556 - simulationcraft - World of Warcraft DPS Simulator - Google Project Hosting fixes this glyph.

• Zakalwe · 08/13/12, 10:00 AM

Yeah, the SB glyph behavior simulated in 504-3 is from earlier testing, when each of the three bolts dealt 36% of the damage of a normal SB. This was changed in a recent beta build and has already been fixed in simc SVN.

Unknowndiv · 08/13/12, 10:04 AM

What about my SB formula? Do you think it could be not intended or a stealth nerf (I did not see any SB nerfs). Sorry, I can't provide any screenshots that confirm this formula right now.

• Zakalwe · 08/13/12, 10:16 AM

It's just a stale tooltip, we've modelled the coefficient as 1.25 for ages.