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Old 04/30/12, 2:48 PM   #16
zinnin
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Worgen Warlock
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Eph View Post
Getting to 1000f then using it.
Getting to 500f, using it and a slash, then dropping Meta.
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Fury no longer gives \ loses damage based on how much of it you have, there is no number you need to shoot for \ stay above.

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Old 04/30/12, 4:26 PM   #17
Eph
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Human Paladin
 
Kil'Jaeden
Originally Posted by zinnin View Post
Fury no longer gives \ loses damage based on how much of it you have, there is no number you need to shoot for \ stay above.
I'm not implying that it does. If you use Immolation Aura at 500f, then you will leave Meta. If you use it at 1000f you will be able to stay in Meta while Immolation Aura continues ticking. It's really just a test to see how weak Meta is or how it might change in a non-mastery stacking gear set. It also would be a start on finding how many targets would be needed for IA with it's high cost.

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Old 04/30/12, 7:10 PM   #18
zinnin
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Originally Posted by Eph View Post
I'm not implying that it does. If you use Immolation Aura at 500f, then you will leave Meta. If you use it at 1000f you will be able to stay in Meta while Immolation Aura continues ticking. It's really just a test to see how weak Meta is or how it might change in a non-mastery stacking gear set. It also would be a start on finding how many targets would be needed for IA with it's high cost.
Ah, sorry I understand that, but it isn't what I thought you were implying.

Zakalwe, have you tested using fel flame to refresh dots as affliction now that it adds 6s to both Corruption and Unstable Affliction?

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Old 05/01/12, 10:14 AM   #19
Unknowndiv
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Orc Warlock
 
Гром (EU)
I'm really interested in pet's damage difference. Why do you use felguard, not succubus+succubus or shivarra? These pets have good spell power scaling (something about 1.6) and I think their damage will outperform felguard's melee swings+fellstorm.

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Old 05/01/12, 2:14 PM   #20
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Unknowndiv View Post
I'm really interested in pet's damage difference. Why do you use felguard, not succubus+succubus or shivarra? These pets have good spell power scaling (something about 1.6) and I think their damage will outperform felguard's melee swings+fellstorm.
You're right, the succubus is the best pet for all three specs. I hadn't realized how well LoP scaled.

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Old 05/02/12, 2:45 AM   #21
NanoHaxial
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Mal'Ganis
For Destruction, Chaos Bolt DTR won't deal the same damage as Chaos Bolt unless you have more than one Ember (in which case two will be comsumed). I believe the proc isn't benefiting from the mastery bonus you get for consuming an Ember. I haven't tested it, but Shadowburn might work the same way. Additionally, Incinerate DTR won't consume Backdraft charges.

chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&(buff.dark_soul.up|burning_ember>=20)&target.health.pct>=25
Should the health percentage be 20% here?

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Old 05/02/12, 6:37 AM   #22
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&(buff.dark_soul.up|burning_ember>=20)&target.health.pct>=25
Should the health percentage be 20% here?
No, the idea is to stop using embers for chaos bolt a while *before* you can start casting shadowburn, so you have more embers stored up for the execute phase.

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Old 05/02/12, 10:09 PM   #23
AmPriS
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Hyjal
Some questions related to the preliminary Demo spec simcraft statistics.

Why are you using Corruption over Doom?

On the character sheet for the demo spec, you are reforging significantly towards haste when only corruption(ticks), shadow bolt (cast time), and HoG(dot component ticks) take advantage of it. Is it simply to generate Demonic Fury faster? Do we know the new haste thresholds to gain extra ticks?

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Old 05/03/12, 2:16 AM   #24
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
I'm using Corruption over Doom because that results in better DPS.

All three specs are using the same gear/reforge setup, and I likely won't be optimizing that for each spec until things settle down and I feel comfortable there aren't going to be more significant changes. The scale factors do seem to indicate demo should be reforging for mastery, not haste.

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Old 05/03/12, 7:52 AM   #25
lida
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They nerfed Lash of Pain
Lash of Pain - Pet Abilities - Spells - WOWDB

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Old 05/04/12, 1:30 PM   #26
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by NanoHaxial View Post
For Destruction, Chaos Bolt DTR won't deal the same damage as Chaos Bolt unless you have more than one Ember (in which case two will be comsumed). I believe the proc isn't benefiting from the mastery bonus you get for consuming an Ember.
I've tested this after the most recent beta patch, and it doesn't seem to work that way now. My DTR-copied CB did the same damage as the original one, regardless of how many embers I had. It did consume two embers if I had two or more, though.

EDIT: Interestingly, that last part is only true for CB. Shadowburn behaves in the exact same way except that the DTR copy never costs embers.

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Old 05/04/12, 10:38 PM   #27
AmPriS
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Hyjal
In the sample sequence for Simulationcraft for Demo, HoG is being casted while in Meta or at least at times where it is not indicated that Meta is being cancelled.

Is that because you are naturally falling out of meta?

Also it seems that the priority rotation is doing very good job of keeping up Corruption without having to hard cast it.

The command (metamorphosis,if=(demonic_fury>=500&action.hand_of_guldan.charges=0)|demonic_fury>=t arget.time_to_die*8) if I understand it correctly that means Meta is only entered into when DF is greater than or equal to 500 AND (not OR) HoG has zero charges.

The Sim timeline shows the lock entering into Meta form before reaching 500 DF. It also shows the lock reaching near 0 DF quite often.

Do these conditions allow the lock to enter into meta form with near perfect timing to refresh corruption or is something a little off in the sim?

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Old 05/05/12, 2:09 AM   #28
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by AmPriS View Post
In the sample sequence for Simulationcraft for Demo, HoG is being casted while in Meta or at least at times where it is not indicated that Meta is being cancelled.

Is that because you are naturally falling out of meta?
Yes.

Originally Posted by AmPriS View Post
Also it seems that the priority rotation is doing very good job of keeping up Corruption without having to hard cast it.

The command (metamorphosis,if=(demonic_fury>=500&action.hand_of_guldan.charges=0)|demonic_fury>=t arget.time_to_die*8) if I understand it correctly that means Meta is only entered into when DF is greater than or equal to 500 AND (not OR) HoG has zero charges.

The Sim timeline shows the lock entering into Meta form before reaching 500 DF. It also shows the lock reaching near 0 DF quite often.

Do these conditions allow the lock to enter into meta form with near perfect timing to refresh corruption or is something a little off in the sim?
It's not clear to me what you're asking here. You do appear to understand the quoted action condition correctly, and as you'll notice there's nothing about corruption in it or in any other metamorphosis-related action condition, so the fact that the actor often ends up not having to recast corruption is mostly coincidence. It does end up recasting corruption on average 3.5 times per fight, so it's not perfect at all.

It's also not clear to me what timeline you're looking at nor how you're inferring what you're inferring from it. I do not think the actor will be reaching 0 DF very often at all, and it will definitely not be entering meta before reaching 500 DF except when there is less than a minute left of the fight. (Though it should be noted time_to_die is an estimate, not a perfect prediction of the future.)

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Old 05/05/12, 3:43 AM   #29
Macemighty
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Worgen Warlock
 
Alonsus (EU)
Have you tried putting Rain of Fire in the Destro sim?

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Old 05/05/12, 3:44 AM   #30
 Zakalwe
The Chairmaker
 
Orc Warlock
 
Balnazzar
Originally Posted by Macemighty View Post
Have you tried putting Rain of Fire in the Destro sim?
It's already there.

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