SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 22

• Zakalwe · 08/20/12, 7:35 AM

Originally Posted by Unknowndiv

Not sure this worth mentioning, but I was interested in glyph of shadow bolt and demonic fury gains.
As you know when shadow bolt *hits* the target player gains 25 demonic fury. With glyph of SB there are 3 *hits*, so how does it work?
I've tested it without gear to get some *misses* on the target (I know we should have hit cap, still..).
Situation 1 : all 3 SB hit the target - player gains 25 demonic fury.
Situation 2 : 1st SB *misses* the target - player does not gain any fury. Player does not do any damage at all! If 1st SB misses, there will be no other SBs. Just one lonely little skull heading towards the target. Maybe that's all 3 SBs *miss* the target, combat log shows only 1 line. And I did not see any log with "*miss*+*hit*/*miss*+*miss*/*hit*" lines.
Situation 3 : 2nd SB *misses* the target - player does not gain any fury, but do some damage, atleast 1/3 (1st SB) of unglyphed SB damage.
Situation 4 : 3rd SB *misses* the target - player gains 25 demonic fury.

By "1st, 2nd and 3rd" SBs I mean order in combatlog. These shadow bolts do not hit simultaneously.

This all matches my testing, so that's how the sim does it as well - it's the second SB that grants the fury. That is actually reflected in the spell data as well, so it's working as intended.

• Zakalwe · 08/20/12, 7:43 AM

Originally Posted by realCool

While looking at the destruction priority list for the aoe 8 targets simulation I found the following error in the sample sequence:

79ANOTTP

7, 9, A and N are lines for the activation of CD's so thats ok. O is Rain of Fire that's also ok. But the next is T which is cycling of immolate and only after that comes P which actives fire and brimstone. As we are starting the fight with 1 ember should not P be directly after O instead of cycling immolate first manually?

Thanks for spotting this - the ember_react stuff hadn't been updated after they decided to give us one ember as a baseline instead of zero. It's been fixed in SVN.

ShaidarLock · 08/20/12, 8:22 AM

I know it's unlikely we're at the point of maximizing reforging yet for the gear sets but I noticed that none of the profiles take advantage of the ability to reforge to expertise on items that already have hit on them. Has the 1:1 conversion of expertise to spell hit for players been implemented in the sim yet?

ZumoO · 08/20/12, 8:23 AM

Yes it is already used in the dummy simulations.

krdan · 08/20/12, 9:50 AM

I'm getting about a 1000 dps increase out of the Demonology profile changing cancel_metamorphosis conditionals to:
actions+=/cancel_metamorphosis,if=buff.dark_soul.down&demonic_fury<=500&target.time_to_die>30

simc r13801

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warlock="Warlock_Demonology_T14H"
origin="unknown"
level=90
race=orc
spec=demonology
role=spell
position=back
professions=engineering=600/enchanting=600
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-specification#VZ!2...1.
glyphs=shadow_bolt

actions.precombat=flask,type=warm_sun
actions.precombat+=/food,type=mogu_fish_stew
actions.precombat+=/dark_intent,if=!aura.spell_power_multiplier.up
actions.precombat+=/summon_pet
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/jade_serpent_potion

actions=curse_of_the_elements,if=debuff.magic_vulnerability.down
actions+=/use_item,name=shaskin_gloves
actions+=/jade_serpent_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.health.pct<=20
actions+=/blood_fury
actions+=/dark_soul
actions+=/service_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled
actions+=/grimoire_of_sacrifice,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled
actions+=/summon_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled&buff.grimoire_of_sacrifice.down
actions+=/melee
actions+=/felguard:felstorm
actions+=/wrathguard:wrathstorm
actions+=/run_action_list,name=aoe,if=num_targets>5
actions+=/summon_doomguard
actions+=/corruption,cycle_targets=1,if=(!ticking|remains<tick_time)&target.time_to_die>=6&miss _react
actions+=/doom,cycle_targets=1,if=(!ticking|remains<tick_time|(ticks_remain+1<n_ticks&buff.dark _soul.up))&target.time_to_die>=30&miss_react
actions+=/metamorphosis,if=buff.dark_soul.up|dot.corruption.remains<5|demonic_fury>=900|demonic _fury>=target.time_to_die*30
actions+=/cancel_metamorphosis,if=buff.dark_soul.down&demonic_fury<=500&target.time_to_die>30
actions+=/hand_of_guldan,if=!in_flight&dot.shadowflame.remains<travel_time+action.shadow_bolt.c ast_time
actions+=/touch_of_chaos,if=dot.corruption.remains<20
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.molten_core.react&(buff.metamorphosis.down|target.health.pct<25)
actions+=/touch_of_chaos
actions+=/life_tap,if=mana.pct<50
actions+=/shadow_bolt
actions+=/fel_flame,moving=1
actions+=/life_tap

actions.aoe=summon_doomguard,if=num_targets<7
actions.aoe+=/summon_infernal,if=num_targets>=7
actions.aoe+=/corruption,cycle_targets=1,if=(!ticking|remains<tick_time)&target.time_to_die>=6&miss _react
actions.aoe+=/hand_of_guldan
actions.aoe+=/metamorphosis,if=demonic_fury>=1000|demonic_fury>=31*target.time_to_die
actions.aoe+=/immolation_aura
actions.aoe+=/void_ray,if=dot.corruption.remains<10
actions.aoe+=/doom,cycle_targets=1,if=(!ticking|remains<40)&target.time_to_die>30&miss_react
actions.aoe+=/void_ray
actions.aoe+=/harvest_life,chain=1,if=talent.harvest_life.enabled
actions.aoe+=/hellfire,if=!talent.harvest_life.enabled
actions.aoe+=/life_tap

head=shaskin_hood,id=87188,gems=burning_primal_80int_160hit_180int,reforge=crit_haste
neck=amulet_of_seven_curses,id=87028,reforge=crit_mastery
shoulders=shaskin_mantle,id=87191,gems=80int_160hit_60int,enchant=200int_100crit,refo rge=mastery_haste
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=87150,enchant=180int
chest=shaskin_robes,id=87190,gems=80int_160mastery_80int_160mastery_180haste,enchant= 80all
wrists=twisting_wind_bracers,id=86958,enchant=170int,reforge=haste_mastery
hands=shaskin_gloves,id=87187,enchant=170haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge= haste_mastery
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,gems=80int_160mastery_80int_160hit_160int_120h aste,reforge=haste_mastery
legs=dreadwoven_leggings_of_failure,id=87174,gems=160int_80int_160hit_120int,enchant= 285int_165crit,reforge=haste_mastery
feet=sandals_of_the_blackest_night,id=87162,gems=80int_160mastery_60mastery,enchant=1 40mastery
finger1=seal_of_the_profane,id=86982,enchant=160int,reforge=spi_haste
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,enchant=160int,reforge=crit_mastery
trinket1=essence_of_terror,id=87175
trinket2=relic_of_yulon,id=79331
main_hand=loshan_terror_incarnate,id=87164,gems=500int,enchant=jade_spirit,reforge=cr it_mastery
off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,enchant=165int,reforge=crit_mastery

# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=80
# gear_agility=80
# gear_stamina=20183
# gear_intellect=18213
# gear_spirit=343
# gear_spell_power=7907
# gear_hit_rating=5074
# gear_crit_rating=2773
# gear_haste_rating=5170
# gear_mastery_rating=5581
# gear_armor=14857
# meta_gem=burning_primal
# tier14_2pc_caster=1
# tier14_4pc_caster=1
# hands=shaskin_gloves,heroic=1,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii
# main_hand=loshan_terror_incarnate,heroic=1,weapon=sword_2.20speed_2880min_5349max,enc hant=jade_spirit
default_pet=felguard

realCool · 08/20/12, 9:54 AM

The sim is still behaving a little bit off for the aoe destruction simulation. Instead of 79ANOTTP we now get 79ANOTPSTTPS in the sample sequence

That means it is now casting 1 immolate before using Fire and Brimstone and as a result does not use an aoe immolate but incinerate as one immolate is ticking on one mob. Normallz with 1 ember starting the sequence should be using all cds (79AN) then using Rain of Fire (O) and then spread immolate via FnB (PQ). What it really does is using all cds (79AN) then Rain of Fire (O) (so up until this point everything works out), and after that casting 1 immolate (T) followed by activating FnB (P) and then interestingly enough using Incinerate (S) instead of Conflagarate. I suppose this is because of the ember_react conditional included in the conflagarate line? I'm not exactly sure of it's uses. Maybe somebody can explain that to me?

• Zakalwe · 08/20/12, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by realCool

The sim is still behaving a little bit off for the aoe destruction simulation. Instead of 79ANOTTP we now get 79ANOTPSTTPS in the sample sequence

That means it is now casting 1 immolate before using Fire and Brimstone and as a result does not use an aoe immolate but incinerate as one immolate is ticking on one mob. Normallz with 1 ember starting the sequence should be using all cds (79AN) then using Rain of Fire (O) and then spread immolate via FnB (PQ). What it really does is using all cds (79AN) then Rain of Fire (O) (so up until this point everything works out), and after that casting 1 immolate (T) followed by activating FnB (P) and then interestingly enough using Incinerate (S) instead of Conflagarate. I suppose this is because of the ember_react conditional included in the conflagarate line? I'm not exactly sure of it's uses. Maybe somebody can explain that to me?

The report you're looking at hasn't updated yet - what you're seeing are still the results of the old bug.

The ember_react conditional on the conflagrate line is deliberate, to make it only use conflagrate when it has a spare ember for the next FnB. I haven't spent a lot of time optimizing the results of the AoE sim, so I can't be sure it's the optimal strategy, but it's not there by accident.

Dalmasca · 08/20/12, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by netsach

It's not due to test dummies (as doomguards are rangesd caster and thus don't suffer from the "start/stop/move erratic behaviour). But in fact, the problem is that the central zone in Shattrath pulses "special buffs" to players periodically, and pulses "special debuffs" periodically to creatures.

And sadly, all our pets (permanent pets, wild imps, and guardians), are considered creatures in that case, and do get the following debuffs while in shattrath (edit : i'll post a bug on the eu beta forums to report this) :
1) Reduced cast time by 30% debuff
2) Reduced physical damage dealt by 10%
3) Increase spell damge taken by 5%
4) Increase physical damage taken by 4%
5) Reduce Armor by 12%

Thus 1) explains the low number of DG casts, and 2) might explains the difference between pets and sim (i haven't checked)

Great catch. I have reported this on the US beta bug forum as well.

dakalro · 08/20/12, 5:14 PM

Are you sure Drain Soul still gets extra ticks from haste? At 10,14% haste I was still getting 6 ticks and it should get 7 at 8.30%, shouldn't it? At level 90. Same with 21.07% haste at level 85.

Choogy · 08/20/12, 6:26 PM

According to the SimulationCraft for Demonology T14H profile, the current stat weights are listed as:

Int > Hit > SP > Haste > Crit > Mastery

I'm curious if prioritizing Int > Hit > SP > Haste > Mastery > Crit would be beneficial now that they have fixed the mastery scaling issue when switching into metamarphasis? I tried to run the simulations, but realized that it was not up to date with build 16004.

I also noticed that the current build does not have demonology using Glyph of Wild Imps. With this glyph allowing us some burst plus a potential quick gain in demonic fury, would this not also be a dps increase also now that the mastery scales with metamorphasis was fixed and this allowing us to enter it faster?

Nardale · 08/20/12, 7:34 PM

I do not believe the sims have been modeling the bug in the first place.

FlyingCow · 08/21/12, 2:18 AM

It seems that Shivarras autoattack damage was been fixed: Main-hand and off-hand strikes deal 80% and 40% the damage of Succubus' melee strikes, resulting in 20% more damage, as suggested in the supremacy talent. The only still existing exception to this rule is Wrathstorm, dealing 47% less damage than Felstorm.

turturin · 08/21/12, 2:05 PM

soulburn,if=buff.dark_soul.up&(buff.dark_soul.remains>=18.5|buff.dark_soul.remains<=1 .5)&shard_react

I don't see any other actions dealing with the tail end of dark soul other than this one. Does this mean if you have no shards as dark soul nears an end that dots are not refreshed?

Madmoos · 08/21/12, 3:18 PM

If am not mistaken (i could be wrong but i always keep 1 shard 1 when DS is close getting off cd) this action

haunt,cycle_targets=1,if=!in_flight_to_target&remains<tick_time+travel_time+cast_time &soul_shard>1

Will make sure you will always have 1 shard up which means you can safely

soulburn,if=buff.dark_soul.up&(buff.dark_soul.remains>=18.5|buff.dark_soul.remains<=1 .5)&shard_react

wobb · 08/22/12, 7:55 AM

Originally Posted by dakalro

Are you sure Drain Soul still gets extra ticks from haste? At 10,14% haste I was still getting 6 ticks and it should get 7 at 8.30%, shouldn't it? At level 90. Same with 21.07% haste at level 85.

No Drainsoul and Malefic Grasp both appear to not gain an extra tick at any point of haste, however refreshing our channels midway does not affect their period, it does come with a resource cost however (the initial mana cost).
[Spamming MG took roughly 1min to go OOM while refreshing @ full duration took nearly twice as long (1:48)]

Refreshing our channel in between the last and second last ticks results in an added 4/6 ticks (no lost ticks).

This means that haste does not actually increase our DPM on these spells; haste results in a higher strain on our mana pool (as it always has).