SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 27

• Zakalwe · 09/17/12, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nardale

Has the changelog been broken for anyone else as of late?

Sorry about that, fixed now.

realCool · 09/18/12, 4:38 AM

I noticed that in the OP the Grimoire comparison for destruction now shows Sacrifice as the best Grimoire, but in the T14H Simulation Supremacy is still used. I was also wondering which change caused this to happen as I can't seem to find something in the changelog that would explain it.

Edit: Thanks for the clarification. My error ^^"" Thought that observer was higher for the comparison and didn't double check to see if they were using the same profile

• Zakalwe · 09/18/12, 6:35 AM

T14H uses supremacy because it sims higher than sacrifice for that profile. No change caused anything to happen - sacrifice has been best for the T13H profile all along.

Unknowndiv · 09/18/12, 11:15 AM

Why are there glancing blows (melee pets) for hit capped T13 profile?

genobi · 09/18/12, 12:19 PM

Hello Zakalwe, I was looking over the current sim for demo and I do not see where wild imps fits in for the current rotation. Is it best used as a fury builder for early meta to catch part of the BL with meta or would waiting until you are in meta to possibly extend meta or gain additional damage as a burst point be better under the current sims? Apologies of course if this has been asked I was about to head out for the day and managed to skim most of the current thread material but not all of it. Thanks for your hard work on the sims.

• Zakalwe · 09/18/12, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Unknowndiv

Why are there glancing blows (melee pets) for hit capped T13 profile?

Because glancing blows are not affected by hit chance?

wobb · 09/18/12, 3:06 PM

Originally Posted by genobi

Hello Zakalwe, I was looking over the current sim for demo and I do not see where wild imps fits in for the current rotation. Is it best used as a fury builder for early meta to catch part of the BL with meta or would waiting until you are in meta to possibly extend meta or gain additional damage as a burst point be better under the current sims? Apologies of course if this has been asked I was about to head out for the day and managed to skim most of the current thread material but not all of it. Thanks for your hard work on the sims.

Wild Imps isn't included in the sim b/c the glyph is a dps loss.

ultrajustin · 09/18/12, 5:19 PM

Lifeblood seems to need an update for simulationcraft.

When I set herbalism and lifeblood use for the level 90 sims. The simulation is reporting 1920 haste for 20 seconds, but the listed value on wowhead at the moment is 2880haste for 20seconds. Averaging out to around 480 haste.

May be worth checking skinning also, that it is 480stats (crit) now.

Xayide · 09/18/12, 6:13 PM

There's currently a bug where wands grant Orcs 1% expertise but fail to do so for Trolls and Dwarfs (which they should since they are ranged weapons).
Is this modeled in simcraft? I know you usually don't model obvious bugs, but since we are so close to launch and this hasn't been corrected yet, I assume Mists will ship like this.
If it isn't modeled, would it make any difference in any of the profiles as to optimal gear setup?

realCool · 09/19/12, 11:27 AM

Also finished improving Destro BiS List. About ~1k dps improvement.
Simulations were done using the latest executable version (505-1 build level 16048). As such the new nerf to Observer is not included. I hope that we don't switch to sacrifice because of that, as this would probably make this list obsolete :/
Working on Demo next

head=shaskin_hood,id=87188,gems=burning_primal_80int_160hit_180int,reforge=mastery_hit
neck=amulet_of_seven_curses,id=87028
shoulders=shaskin_mantle,id=87191,enchant=200int_100crit,gems=80int_160hit_60int,reforge=mastery_crit
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,enchant=180int,reforge=mastery_hit
chest=shaskin_robes,id=87190,enchant=80all,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160haste_180haste,reforge=crit_hit
wrists=twisting_wind_bracers,id=86958,enchant=180int
hands=shaskin_gloves,id=87187,enchant=170haste,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=hit_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,gems=80int_160haste_80int_160hit_120haste_160int,reforge=hit_crit
legs=leggings_of_shadow_infestation,id=86989,enchant=285int_165crit,gems=160int_80int_160hit_120int,reforge=mastery_haste
feet=sandals_of_the_blackest_night,id=87162,enchant=140mastery,gems=80int_160haste_60mastery,reforge=mastery_crit
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,enchant=160int,reforge=spi_hit
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,enchant=160int,reforge=hit_haste
trinket1=essence_of_terror,id=87175
trinket2=relic_of_yulon,id=79331
main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=90513,enchant=jade_spirit,gems=80int_160hit_60crit,reforge=mastery_hit
off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,enchant=165int

• Zakalwe · 09/19/12, 1:51 PM

Originally Posted by realCool

Also finished improving Destro BiS List. About ~1k dps improvement.
Simulations were done using the latest executable version (505-1 build level 16048). As such the new nerf to Observer is not included. I hope that we don't switch to sacrifice because of that, as this would probably make this list obsolete :/

Well here's the interesting thing. With our current T14H profile, sacrifice is still a ~500 dps loss compared to the observer. But with your improved gear setup, sacrifice is a ~200 dps gain. You may want to try to re-sim with sacrifice and further adjust reforging based on that.

zinnin · 09/19/12, 5:25 PM

Is there a way to put in override to start with full resources \ several stacks of MC?

• Zakalwe · 09/20/12, 5:33 AM

No way to start with several stacks of MC, but for resources you can add demonic_fury=x or burning_embers=x to the overrides tab.

realCool · 09/20/12, 8:51 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Well here's the interesting thing. With our current T14H profile, sacrifice is still a ~500 dps loss compared to the observer. But with your improved gear setup, sacrifice is a ~200 dps gain. You may want to try to re-sim with sacrifice and further adjust reforging based on that.

Didn't test that myself of course >.<
Further improved list for destruction using GoSac:

head=shaskin_hood,id=87188,gems=burning_primal_80int_160hit_180int
neck=amulet_of_seven_curses,id=87028,reforge=hit_mastery
shoulders=shaskin_mantle,id=87191,enchant=200int_100crit,gems=80int_160hit_60int
back=cloak_of_overwhelming_corruption,id=90512,enchant=180int,reforge=haste_hit
chest=shaskin_robes,id=87190,enchant=80all,gems=80int_160mastery_80int_160mastery_180haste,reforge=haste_hit
wrists=shining_cicada_bracers,id=86992,enchant=180int,reforge=hit_mastery
hands=shaskin_gloves,id=87187,enchant=170mastery,addon=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=haste_crit
waist=belt_of_malleable_amber,id=86981,gems=80int_160mastery_80int_160hit_120haste_160int,reforge=haste_mastery
legs=leggings_of_shadow_infestation,id=86989,enchant=285int_165crit,gems=160int_80int_160hit_120int,reforge=crit_hit
feet=sandals_of_the_unbidden,id=86969,enchant=140mastery,gems=80int_160mastery_60hit,reforge=hit_crit
finger1=watersoul_signet,id=90511,enchant=160int,reforge=spi_mastery
finger2=fragment_of_fear_made_flesh,id=86949,enchant=160int,reforge=hit_mastery
trinket1=essence_of_terror,id=87175
trinket2=relic_of_yulon,id=79331
main_hand=regails_crackling_dagger,id=90513,enchant=jade_spirit,gems=80int_160hit_60crit
off_hand=tornadosummoning_censer,id=86960,enchant=165int,reforge=crit_mastery

Gives me another ~1.3k dps increase compared to the last one and ~1k dps increase over using Supremacy

Edit: Now really includes the new list ^^""

• Zakalwe · 09/20/12, 9:08 AM

That looks like exactly the same thing you pasted in your previous post.