SimulationCraft for Warlocks (Panda Edition) - Page 3

AmPriS · 05/05/12, 7:13 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

It's also not clear to me what timeline you're looking at nor how you're inferring what you're inferring from it. I do not think the actor will be reaching 0 DF very often at all, and it will definitely not be entering meta before reaching 500 DF except when there is less than a minute left of the fight. (Though it should be noted time_to_die is an estimate, not a perfect prediction of the future.)

The resource timeline for demonic fury that is listed on simulation craft. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly.

http://5.chart.apis.google.com/chart...chts=dddddd,18

• Zakalwe · 05/05/12, 7:38 AM

You're probably reading too much into it, yeah - it's an average timeline for all the iterations. For each individual iteration the top of each fluctuation reaches 500 DF, but because these tops occur at slightly different points for each iteration, each top gets averaged with lower values from other iterations. As the fight progresses, randomness causes the timing of the metamorphosis phases to vary more and more between different iterations, which is why the amplitude of the graph is pretty close to 500 at the beginning but then decreases steadily.

zinnin · 05/05/12, 2:15 PM

I am fairly certain that using backdraft on chaos bolt is a dps loss right now. You gain more benefit just using it on incinerate.

• Zakalwe · 05/05/12, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by zinnin

I am fairly certain that using backdraft on chaos bolt is a dps loss right now. You gain more benefit just using it on incinerate.

I can't discern a significant difference between the two strategies (holding off on chaos bolt until your backdraft stack is below 3 vs just casting it whenever), so I'm sticking to the simpler one.

zinnin · 05/05/12, 8:15 PM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

I can't discern a significant difference between the two strategies (holding off on chaos bolt until your backdraft stack is below 3 vs just casting it whenever), so I'm sticking to the simpler one.

Hmm, I would have thought it would be a bigger difference, basically using it on chaos bolt is equivalent of only using 2 stacks of backdraft, and clicking the 3rd off. Before haste using it on chaos bolt is getting 4s of cast time reduced, compared to 6. Interesting.

• Zakalwe · 05/06/12, 5:28 AM

Originally Posted by Macemighty

Have you tried putting Rain of Fire in the Destro sim?

I should note that RoF is currently not generating Burning Embers in the sim. First of all, I can't find any tooltip or spell data indicating that this is intended behavior, but more importantly I can't figure out how it works. It seems to randomly generate embers when immolate is up on the target, but certainly not consistently one ember per tick. More like a 50% chance, maybe? Has anyone done any extensive testing, or am I missing some other information on what the proc chance is?

whi · 05/06/12, 6:07 AM

Ingame tooltip states: "Deals 50% additional damage and generates burning embers if the target is immolated."

Did a quick test on a single dummy here, and got 154 embers out of 332 rof ticks, so assuming that dtr's rof procs burning embers aswell it's pretty close to 50% - and if it doesn't it's even closer.

• Zakalwe · 05/06/12, 6:14 AM

So critical strikes do not generate two embers?

whi · 05/06/12, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

So critical strikes do not generate two embers?

No, and the chance doesn't seem to bumped to 100% to generate one either.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis - 3 immolated targets, no dtr - 476 embers out of 978 rof ticks, fits quite well with the 50% chance, scales nicely with the number of targets hit.

• Zakalwe · 05/06/12, 11:03 AM

Thanks. Those mechanics are now implemented in the sim.

Hellfury · 05/07/12, 8:33 PM

For affliction.

Wouldn't be a DPS increase to refresh he UA/Corr with Fel Flame?

The 2 GBCs used to recast UA/Corr could be used at 2x Fel Flame adding 12sec total on each dot while also doing 12k~ hits with BIS gear with COE no Haunt

Its just a guess, maybe someone would like to test it, not savvy at changing priority lists at SC

Karsteck · 05/07/12, 10:22 PM

To get more shadowflame damage, is it worth spacing out HoG by one cast, e.g. shadow bolt? I've been doing that when practicing my keybinds / rotation on a target dummy. That way you get some ticks of a single stack of shadowflame, then get full ticks from a 2-stack of shadowflame. (or 3 stack if either HoG procs DTR, making DTR probably very powerful for aoe even once it's replaced for single target).

Also, is it maybe worth waiting for a molten core proc before entering meta above 500 fury? Although then you risk letting corruption drop if you don't autoattack (touch of chaos) in meta right away. Having corruption fall off just after you enter meta sucks, because you can't re-apply it without leaving meta. Molten core stacks and has a long duration, so maybe an action like

# untested, not sure if this does what I'm talking about above
actions+=/demonic_slash,buff.metamorphosiss.up,if=dot.corruption.remains<soulfire.cast_time
actions+=/soul_fire,if=buff.molten_core.react|target.health.pct<25

Has anyone tried putting corruption ahead of meta in the action list, to make sure it's cast before entering meta? (maybe worth it even if fury capped, since you'll be in meta a long time without corruption ticking)

• Zakalwe · 05/08/12, 7:45 AM

Originally Posted by Hellfury

Wouldn't be a DPS increase to refresh he UA/Corr with Fel Flame?

Turns out it is - just barely though, less than a 200 DPS increase with the current gear profile.

Originally Posted by Karsteck

To get more shadowflame damage, is it worth spacing out HoG by one cast, e.g. shadow bolt? I've been doing that when practicing my keybinds / rotation on a target dummy. That way you get some ticks of a single stack of shadowflame, then get full ticks from a 2-stack of shadowflame. (or 3 stack if either HoG procs DTR, making DTR probably very powerful for aoe even once it's replaced for single target).

Yep, this also turned out to be a small gain.

zinnin · 05/08/12, 12:48 PM

Can Simcrafted be adjusted to show uptime % in the results for Haunt?

Also, idk if your priority list is keeping it at 100% uptime or not, but it should be put in the priority somehow that fel flames are done in between haunts since the good part about using fel flame is that it gives a far greater window of use then normal refreshing. Non-issue if your priority is maintaining a 100% uptime, but in game I just don't haunt when using fel flame \ life tapping and only haunt when I can MG for the full duration of it or if I might get shard capped. This also leads to not ever pressing drain soul above 20%.

• Zakalwe · 05/08/12, 12:51 PM

I'm not sure what benefit you're expecting to see from deliberately reducing the uptime on a 40% damage buff.