Warlock Simple Questions Thread: Mists Edition - Page 5

BorDeWolf · 10/10/12, 8:06 PM

I have a question about what weapon would be best for me to use.
I am a Demon lock And sometimes I go in to the Dark Apotheosis mode just to met the tank up when needed.
But I also noticed that my wand is going off (I hear the wand sound) in this mode or in demon mode and I am not sure if it slows down my casting speed.
Now I wonder if it is better for me to use a wand or to use a dagger/sword to get some extra (white) melee damage done?
And if that is happening, do I need expertise at 7,5% or not to get my parry chance to 0 on a boss?

terophile · 10/11/12, 2:04 PM

I was wondering if the buff you get from the Spirit Realm on Gara'jal the Spritbinder will 'supercharge' our DoTs. My guild is doing this fight a little different than most(I assume) as we have one team go into the spirit realm and burn down all of the adds for 15-20 seconds then move back out. Being Affliction, I am always one of those people unless I get Voodoo Doll at the start. Essentially, if I were to soul burn+ soul swap the boss right after coming out of the spirit world, would those dots have the increased damage even if I go back into the spirit world?

Additionally, Windsong was fixed for Affliction on Tuesday.
-Verified via logs here: World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

Gl0rn · 10/11/12, 5:00 PM

What addon are you guys using for your dot timers?I've always been using DoTimer but now it gives me annoying errors and I want to use something else.

I hope this is the right thread for that kind of question..

Daimonas · 10/11/12, 5:31 PM

Hello, just a quick question about simulationcraft:

actions+=/shadowburn,if=ember_react
actions+=/chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&(.......)

What does the ember_react condition mean?

Laraon · 10/11/12, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by Syrophenikan

1) I had the same question and decided to test this last night on the target dummy with Skada. I would cast one DOT and let it last until it exprired then recorded it's damage. Did this about 20 times to get a rough average damage number. I then did it again but cast Haunt after the DOT cast, also 20 times. And the same with haunt first. I found that the Haunt damage bonus applies to the DOTs regardless when the DOT is cast, however, you can get DOT ticks without the bonus. So in conclusion, the haunt damage bonus applies to all damage when haunt is applied, but you still want the bonus applied to all ticks, therefore using SB:SS is ideal so you get the most damage ticks under the buff before it expires.

2) Yes since cancelling a channel right before a tick can still be a DPS loss. Granted, it's not much of a problem since the level 90 spell gets rid of the problem is DOT clipping, so in most cases you can wait until a channel is finished before reapplying.

3) In my experience, it depends on the fights. Since I have a trinket with a chance to increase SP significantly, I save my soul shards for when it procs to cast haunt, DS:M, and SS:SB my DOTs to gain the SP/haste increase to do a ton of damage.

4) Not sure, and this is something that can be calculated with DPET. Calculate MG with a 50% increased duration to get the DPET and then the DEPT for FF.

5) The DPET for DOTs take in to account the full duration of the spell. If you constantly refresh a DOT slightly under the 50% mark, you're still not getting DPS from the last half. I still let DOTs run their full duration so I can get more MG spam in, and refresh early when I get a short term buff or if I know I'll need to move and can't refresh later.

DOTs when cast will take your haste/crit/mastery/sp values at the time they are cast. So if your buff runs out during the DOT duration and you recast, the new cast will change the damage modifiers to what you currently have. So you want to let the DOT run it's full duration before reapplying if your buffs ran out.

Yes, it does grant spell hit, although the paper doll won't show additional hit rating number, only changes the percentage. It is a 1-to-1 distribution, so one expertise is good for one spell hit. It allows you to reforge to expertise even if a piece of gear has hit on it.

Aha you have answered 95% of my questions with this post. Thank you.

Now for the final question, does fel flame reset the haste/crit/mastery/sp values on your dot when you cast it? Or does it extend it without changing the haste/crit/mastery/sp values on your dots?

If it does not change the haste/crit/mastery/sp values on your dots does it ever make sense to hit this in your rotation with MG? So for example if I have BL, DS:M, and +4000 int from on use trinket should I use fel flame to refresh the duration of UA and Corruption?

Or am I better off just letting them expire before refreshing?

Also do you refresh with SB&SS or manually cast UA and corruption?

ciikz · 10/14/12, 7:56 PM

Hi all , i would like to ask why do ppl reforge mastery into haste? like if our stat priority is Intellect > Mastery > Haste > Spell Hit (15%) > Crit - is there any haste cap we should have, i reforged all to mastery, and got 6% haste, and started to notice that my haunt cast was way too slow, as all the other casts.

As for Hit cap , is it have to be really 15%? all the locks i see on armory and raid have 14%. ty

Choogy · 10/14/12, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by ciikz

Hi all , i would like to ask why do ppl reforge mastery into haste? like if our stat priority is Intellect > Mastery > Haste > Spell Hit (15%) > Crit - is there any haste cap we should have, i reforged all to mastery, and got 6% haste, and started to notice that my haunt cast was way too slow, as all the other casts.

As for Hit cap , is it have to be really 15%? all the locks i see on armory and raid have 14%. ty

The reason some people are reforging to haste on their gear is because at 10% haste you can gain an extra tick of corruption and unstable affliction under the influence of time warp/bloodlust/heroism/Dark Soul: Misery. Method's lock Sparkuggz actually even said in a guide that he put out that the affliction stat priority looks like this.

Int>haste (10%)>mastery>haste>hit>crit

As for the hit question. I have seen the higher end locks as far down as 8% hit; little too much left to rng with that low of hit for my taste. I like to stay closer to the hit cap than not. I am staying around ~12-13%. My raid leader has not been posting our logs or else I would show you the difference, but I did significantly higher dps when my hit was at 12% and was able to focus on mastery after my haste was at 10% than when I had it at 15% and less dps stats.

Чиби · 10/15/12, 2:47 AM

I'm sorry, I sought "Warlock DOT Haste Spreadsheet 5.0.5" but hadn`t a clear answer.
Tell me plz If Demo lock have Spell haste soft cap before maximize Mastery? How many rating is?

PS Sorry for bad English

Ducka · 10/19/12, 9:12 AM

I had a similar question regarding soul shard management. I know we use 2 at the start of fights for SB:SS and Haunt, after that I have been saving my last two shards for another SB:SS and Haunt with trinket use above 20%. I only refresh Haunt when I get a nightfall proc, and if nightfall procs twice in a row I use the second for SB:SS. Below 20% I only refresh with SB:SS and keep haunt up 100% of the time. Obviously execute phase soul shard management is basically non-existent because of the excess in shards. I was just wondering on what was ideal above 20%.

If there's an add in a fight I will SB:SS and haunt the add, assuming it has enough HP to warrant it, even if I go to 0 shards knowing I can gain full shards back when the add dies.

Balzakius · 10/19/12, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by Ducka

I had a similar question regarding soul shard management. I know we use 2 at the start of fights for SB:SS and Haunt, after that I have been saving my last two shards for another SB:SS and Haunt with trinket use above 20%. I only refresh Haunt when I get a nightfall proc, and if nightfall procs twice in a row I use the second for SB:SS. Below 20% I only refresh with SB:SS and keep haunt up 100% of the time. Obviously execute phase soul shard management is basically non-existent because of the excess in shards. I was just wondering on what was ideal above 20%.

If there's an add in a fight I will SB:SS and haunt the add, assuming it has enough HP to warrant it, even if I go to 0 shards knowing I can gain full shards back when the add dies.

A couple things on Soul Shard and Haunt management.

1) Watch your buffs as they make your DoTs powerful (use an addon like WeakAuras).
2) Use your shards on Haunt, don't waste them to refresh your DoTs unless they are being significantly buffed.
3) Don't waste your shards by not using them. Never stay at 4 and try to burn through them when you know you are going to get them back (by killing an add).

The only time you want to refresh your DoTs using SS:Soul Swap is when you are heavily buffed, particularly haste buffed like Dark Soul or Bloodlust. Haunt hits hard and provides a 25% DoT damage buff, so use your shards for that. Using a shard to refresh your DoTs, unless they have been heavily buffed, is a waste.

Once I am hasted, I refresh all my DoTs by SS:Soul Swap, apply Haunt and don't let it drop off. But, I still keep 1 shard ready for when the haste buff is about to wear off, so I can reapply all my hasted DoTs right before the buff expires. They will spend their entire duration under the haste buff, even after it has worn off.

Another key to managing your shards is knowing the fight so you can anticipate when you need them and how quickly your can regenerate them. If it's a fight with a lot of adds that you can DS on as they die, you want to burn through all your shards quickly before the mob dies, even if that means chain casting Haunt (Haunt does a lot of damage on its own). Just be sure to DS the mob as it dies so you can get back to 4 shards.

If it's a fight with no adds, like Feng or Spirit Kings, you'll need to be more conservative. I try to keep 1 SS in my pocket and use the rest for Haunt.

HughKares · 10/25/12, 12:06 PM

Was this a decision by the website or simply because no one wanted to dedicate the time it take to put one together? Those threads were the main reason I visited this website.

• Meaning · 10/25/12, 5:02 PM

The latter. The guides are user-generated. However, it's not particularly hard to parse the simcraft action list and setup.

Balzakius · 10/25/12, 6:13 PM

Originally Posted by HughKares

Was this a decision by the website or simply because no one wanted to dedicate the time it take to put one together? Those threads were the main reason I visited this website.

This post may get deleted, since it's a link to another website, but here's a good guide for all 3 specs; Affliction Warlock Guide

Last I checked the info was fairly up to date and accurate. It's definitely good enough to get you started.

In regards to stat weights, your best bet is to sim your own character using SimulationCraft.org. It's pretty easy and gives you a lot of information. Generally though, make sure you get your unbuffed Haste to at least 10%, then Mastery and Haste are generally neck and neck with Crit way behind.

Amirawr · 10/26/12, 6:40 PM

Hi first time posting something on this forum. I'm a bit lost as to how to aoe properly as an affliction lock. My current ilevel is 461 but i seem to be blown out of the water when it comes to aoe dps. When it's 2 targets i do just fine but anything above 2 my dps seems to be 10-20k below other classes. What spells should be i using on 3 targets or more?

Balzakius · 10/27/12, 7:11 PM

Originally Posted by Amirawr

Hi first time posting something on this forum. I'm a bit lost as to how to aoe properly as an affliction lock. My current ilevel is 461 but i seem to be blown out of the water when it comes to aoe dps. When it's 2 targets i do just fine but anything above 2 my dps seems to be 10-20k below other classes. What spells should be i using on 3 targets or more?

Generally, on 4 targets or more, I SS:Soul Swap to apply all my dots on one target, then I SS:SoC the same target. You can than use a regular SoC on the same target (SoC doesn't replace SS:SoC). Then tab target mobs and keep applying SoC. Once the SS:SoC bursts on the original target, you'll see your other SoCs start cascading and do a lot of DPS. Plus the SS:SoC gives Corruption to everyone in range.

Once Corruption is about to expire on all the mobs, reapply SS:SoC.

As long as the mobs are up long enough, you should see good numbers doing this.